Prince Harry not attending Philips memorial

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It has been confirmed that Prince Harry will not be attending P Philips memorial service. What are people’s thoughts about this? Is the whole security issue a smoke screen for the fact he can’t face his family?

Surely no-one would trust him with any sensitive information about anything now

Very possibly not, but security don't even need to tell the principals about every last detail - they just need to do their job of keeping them safe from known threats, which TBF they appear pretty good at

If Harry feels there's something "extra" they need to know then in his own interests he can always share that with them for assessment, but I can't quite see they'll provide what he wants purely because he wants it, rather than it being necessary

Of course, expecting whatever they want to fall into place is something the RF are good at, so Harry's attitude is perhaps not surprising even while being unrealistic now

@smilesy

Seriously though, is Charles or William gonna put a chain or something around his waist and attend his charities.

He’d get protection if there was a threat. Just feeling unsafe doesn’t mean he can have Special Protection Officers. Lots of people have threats made against them it do not get Special Protection as pp who this has happened to have stated on these threads. If he want to keep away from the paps, he needs a a skilled driver, as we have said before, and one of those can be hired. No one has said he shouldn’t have any protection, but he seems to want tax payer funded SPO’s. Presumably as well, if he was to have Special Protection, this would involve at least two cars and maybe motorcycle outriders etc. not available at the drop of a hat.

It's more than just feeling unsafe though, it's direct threats.

He does not need a big entourage as he is not doing a royal engagement.

Yes, it does sound petty to protect mistresses and girlfriends and not him (not direct answer to you @smilesy)

@Viviennemary

Beatrice and Eugenie were in more or less the same position as Harry a few years ago. They didn't get police protection either and they actually lived in this country. When is he going to stop whining and suing people.

Since when have E and B been threatened by nazis ?

@ajandjjmum

I'm not surprised that Harry is being denied access to intelligence - imagine the content of the next Oprah show! Surely no-one would trust him with any sensitive information about anything now.

Being racist towards someone is not 'sensitive information' ffs.

It's more than just feeling unsafe though, it's direct threats.

It’s not though. Otherwise he’d get protection. The HO said as much.

Perhaps as Charles offered for Harry to stay with him. Harry could have organised after consultation with his father for a charity event to be held at his father's residence, protection would be available either Harry doesn't think the protection for the future King is not sufficient in which case why is he fighting for it or he knows he wouldn't be able to bring his Netflix camera crew to Charles's

You are saying that the charities must go to Charles residence. What if they cannot go, do these things not get arranged well in advance? Even when arranged, the few PPOs for Charles must now be extended for how much of a crowd? There would be 30 or so people who knows. It's not the same as saying Charles security is not enough, he would already have to extend it for Harry as it is, then extend some more for the gathered crowd/charity people.

Even when arranged, the few PPOs for Charles must now be extended for how much of a crowd

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Even when arranged, the few PPOs for Charles must now be extended for how much of a crowd

If they are guarding a residence, presumably it makes little difference how many people are there.

@smilesy

It's more than just feeling unsafe though, it's direct threats.

It’s not though. Otherwise he’d get protection. The HO said as much.

It's more than a hunch, we were already shown. The HO lawyer will say that to defend his client would he not? He is hardly going to give Harry a win on a silver platter.

We already know that others not in the RF had been provided.
We know that Tony Blair pays for the PPOs when he leaves the country.

We know that Andrew has PPOs even when not working.
Those are just the public ones.

@smilesy

Oops. Posted to soon Even when arranged, the few PPOs for Charles must now be extended for how much of a crowd

If they are guarding a residence, presumably it makes little difference how many people are there.

You somehow think that the number of PPOs that are looking after PC and C, will be the same as when they have guests?

Even logically that does not work.

You somehow think that the number of PPOs that are looking after PC and C, will be the same as when they have guests?

If they are guarding a building, they are guarding it from intruders. They are not guarding every guest individually. They may need a few more but it won’t increase exponentially.

We know that Tony Blair pays for the PPOs when he leaves the country.

Tony Blair is acknowledged to be at risk because of Iraq. Harry seems to be fine in the US. Why would he suddenly be at risk here and not in the US? Or in The Netherlands? I’m sure if there was a threat to him they could reach him there. I’m sure there are neo Nazis in Europe before you trot out that old chestnut again.

@smilesy

We know that Tony Blair pays for the PPOs when he leaves the country.

Tony Blair is acknowledged to be at risk because of Iraq. Harry seems to be fine in the US. Why would he suddenly be at risk here and not in the US? Or in The Netherlands? I’m sure if there was a threat to him they could reach him there. I’m sure there are neo Nazis in Europe before you trot out that old chestnut again.

Yes, there are neo nazis in Europe, except they have not targeted Harry. The British did !

My point about Tony Blair is that it proves every circumstance is different and individual, there is no blanket 'you cannot pay for PPOs'. This is simply not true, you get assessed individually.

My point about Tony Blair is that it proves every circumstance is different and individual, there is no blanket 'you cannot pay for PPOs'. This is simply not true, you get assessed individually.

Harry has been assessed as not needing this then, obviously.

@smilesy

My point about Tony Blair is that it proves every circumstance is different and individual, there is no blanket 'you cannot pay for PPOs'. This is simply not true, you get assessed individually.

Harry has been assessed as not needing this then, obviously.

And that is what he is challenging.

And that is what he is challenging
Well yes, again, obviously. I think we can all agree on that. Not sure what your point is 🤷‍♀️

So they have to prove in court why Tony Blair can pay, and Harry cannot.
Why Andrew has protection while not working, but Harry cannot when he is in the country.
Why girlfriends and mistresses are protected and Harry cannot 🤷‍♀️

What is your point?

My point about Tony Blair is that it proves every circumstance is different and individual, there is no blanket 'you cannot pay for PPOs'. This is simply not true, you get assessed individually

There is.

Blair is assessed to require protection. He gets it regardless, not because he pays the additional costs when he travels overseas.

It would be like Harry repaying the cost of his security when he was in Canada just before the Sussexes stepped down. He got the security then because he was assessed to need it, and it was open to him to defray the extra cost.

It was never the case that someone gets it because they pay

What is your point?. No need for snark. I genuinely didn’t know what you were trying to say there and was seeking clarification.

This report summarises what was said at the initial hearing. It would seem that this hearing was just to decide which details will be disclosed as I think pp have said.

Prince Harry says UK still his home as he bids for police security on visits www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60438739

I don't know why the BBC is not stating that they do not have Harry's submission as it was confidential. This is what the HO is saying.
As other publication have shown, Harry's lawyer said they are giving the judge information to explain who is in ravec and why they have denied harry.

So what you are showing is one side of things.

So what you are showing is one side of things. For goodness sake, I just found a report that I thought explained the whole thing quite clearly. How is it one sided? I also seem to remember reading that mr Justice Swift admonished Harry’s QC for not “sticking to the issues”. Maybe that is why these details were not included in the BBC report

Shaheed Fatima QC, for the Duke, attempted to make some introductory remarks about the claim and her client’s reasons for bringing it, telling the court that he ‘does not feel safe when he is in the UK’, which ‘is and always will be his home’ – only to be swiftly slapped down by, er, Mr Justice Swift. ‘Ms Fatima, could you just focus on the issues,’ his lordship said, steering her back towards the application of CPR 5.4C, much to disappointment of the hacks in attendance
From the Law Society Gazette.

The thing is the UK is not Harrys home anymore. He’s moved permanently to the US.

You are saying that the charities must go to Charles residence

What evidence is there for any form of charitable visit being on the cards?

As has been pointed out to you on other threads one unincidental visit in two trips doesn't create a precedent.

@smilesy

We know that Tony Blair pays for the PPOs when he leaves the country.

Tony Blair is acknowledged to be at risk because of Iraq. Harry seems to be fine in the US. Why would he suddenly be at risk here and not in the US? Or in The Netherlands? I’m sure if there was a threat to him they could reach him there. I’m sure there are neo Nazis in Europe before you trot out that old chestnut again.

Tony Blair repays the cost when he goes on holiday. He doesn’t hire personal protection officers. It’s quite different