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FlyingGeeseAgain · 2022-03-11T22:27:46+00:00

It has been confirmed that Prince Harry will not be attending P Philips memorial service. What are people’s thoughts about this? Is the whole security issue a smoke screen for the fact he can’t face his family?

notanotheroneagain · 14/03/2022 13:58

@smilesy

Once more, that is what he is asking for, his security had direct access then, which will not be so immediate with the private security. He made that clear.

And once more I understand that but at the same time he insists he needs PPO’s and therefore access to intelligence, when that same intelligence suggests he doesn’t. He, or you, can’t have it both ways.

Ok then, Ravec can just produce in court that he does not need security and Harry can show that he does. That is whole point of going to court 🤷‍♀️

IcedPurple · 14/03/2022 14:02

Ok then, Ravec can just produce in court that he does not need security and Harry can show that he does. That is whole point of going to court

Well no, it's not.

RAVEC don't have to prove that Harry 'doesn't need security'. They only have to show, to the satisfaction of the judge, that they arrived at their decision by following the correct procedures. At most, if Harry is successful, the case will be referred back to RAVEC for review. They may very well come to the same conclusion again.

notanotheroneagain · 14/03/2022 14:07

Ok then, Ravec can show that they came to the conclusion following correct procedure and Harry can show that they did not 🤷‍♀️

notanotheroneagain · 14/03/2022 14:25

I wonder OP if you had issues with William missing the queen mother's memorial just to stay for his holiday, considering she was reported to favour him and all.

Prince Harry not attending Philips memorial

PinaColada123456 · 14/03/2022 14:39

@Imjkrowling My quote was hardly knocking Meghan. It was more knocking the poster who is weirdly over invested. So many posts, so defensive. Far too over invested in a stranger.

Yet many of the posters are so over-invested on hating someone they don't even know (much like those who hate Rowling) so why are the defenders of Harry and Meghan worthy of your snarky comment but those who take the time to attack them don't? Quite hypocritical of you. It's more understandable to defend someone than to attack them.

smilesy · 14/03/2022 14:40

I wonder OP if you had issues with William missing the queen mother's memorial just to stay for his holiday, considering she was reported to favour him and all

This was a short memorial to mark the tenth anniversary of her death. It was not a full memorial service like this one will be for PP, which is being held because of the covid restrictions of the actual service.

“During a royal thanksgiving service at St George’s Chapel in 2012, a moment was taken to remember the Queen’s mother and sister.

The ceremony marked the tenth anniversary of their deaths and a short memorial was held amid the festivities of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations”

So not quite the same thing.

PinaColada123456 · 14/03/2022 14:43

@notanotheroneagain

Are you paid to act as some sort of internet janitor for the Sussex?

Are you paid to act as some kind of Internet troll against the Sussexes ?

Receipts are readily available on SM.

What is weird is following someone you can't stand and starting and going on threads about them. Attacking those who disagree with you.
Hell, I know there is a large following for Britney, Taylor, Harry Styles etc. I think they are ok, but not god's gift. Would I go around criticising those who think they are great or good? No, not really. That is just bizarre.

Exactly. Those who come on a thread to attack those who defend someone are utterly bizarre. Who does that?

It is a form of gaslighting.

PinaColada123456 · 14/03/2022 14:51

@smilesy

I wonder OP if you had issues with William missing the queen mother's memorial just to stay for his holiday, considering she was reported to favour him and all

This was a short memorial to mark the tenth anniversary of her death. It was not a full memorial service like this one will be for PP, which is being held because of the covid restrictions of the actual service.

“During a royal thanksgiving service at St George’s Chapel in 2012, a moment was taken to remember the Queen’s mother and sister.

The ceremony marked the tenth anniversary of their deaths and a short memorial was held amid the festivities of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations”

So not quite the same thing.

Regardless Harry had attended Phillip's funeral. A memorial service is extra, and is more for those who didn't go during Covid.

PinaColada123456 · 14/03/2022 14:53

Just a note for those who attempt to blame Harry and William's mother for her death, seatbelt or not, driver over the limit or not, if they hadn't been relentlessly chased by the paps, the driver wouldn't have driven at the speed he did or take the risks he did, towards the end to get rid of the paps. So they were very much the root cause of the crash.

notanotheroneagain · 14/03/2022 14:56

[quote PinaColada123456]**@Imjkrowling* My quote was hardly knocking Meghan. It was more knocking the poster who is weirdly over invested. So many posts, so defensive. Far too over invested in a stranger.*

Yet many of the posters are so over-invested on hating someone they don't even know (much like those who hate Rowling) so why are the defenders of Harry and Meghan worthy of your snarky comment but those who take the time to attack them don't? Quite hypocritical of you. It's more understandable to defend someone than to attack them.[/quote]
This !

Yeahthat · 14/03/2022 15:03

@PinaColada123456

Just a note for those who attempt to blame Harry and William's mother for her death, seatbelt or not, driver over the limit or not, if they hadn't been relentlessly chased by the paps, the driver wouldn't have driven at the speed he did or take the risks he did, towards the end to get rid of the paps. So they were very much the root cause of the crash.

Really? If someone was 'chasing' me to take my photo in my car, I wouldn't participate. I'd drive at the speed limit or below and call the police.

You're not going to die from having your picture taken. You could die speeding away to stop it happening. Particularly if the car is being driven by someone over the limit and you're not wearing a seatbelt.

It's particularly illogical to consider it worth risking your life to not have your picture taken if you also collaborate with the same paparazzi at other times.

EdithWeston · 14/03/2022 15:04

Ok then, Ravec can just produce in court that he does not need security and Harry can show that he does. That is whole point of going to court

No, the court case is a judicial review of the decision making process - so s RAVEC indeed the correct body, is it properly constituted, are it's working oriactuces sound, does the right info reach it at the right time; that kind of thing.

If inadequacies are found in the RAVEC procedure, then they will need to be fixed and all decisions that are potentially unsound will need to be reconsidered

EdithWeston · 14/03/2022 15:05

@PinaColada123456

Just a note for those who attempt to blame Harry and William's mother for her death, seatbelt or not, driver over the limit or not, if they hadn't been relentlessly chased by the paps, the driver wouldn't have driven at the speed he did or take the risks he did, towards the end to get rid of the paps. So they were very much the root cause of the crash.

Yes, the inquest found that the actions of the pursuing drivers were a factor in the death.

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smilesy · 14/03/2022 15:07

Regardless Harry had attended Phillip's funeral. A memorial service is extra, and is more for those who didn't go during Covid.

Well then why does it matter if William was not present at a service that included a brief moment of remembrance for a 10 year anniversary of the QM’s death?

DesertStorms · 14/03/2022 15:10

@Snog

I suspect Harry is worried about how his family will react to him as he seems to be briefing against them.

I also suspect that he is concerned about how the UK public will react to him now that boos from the crowd seem as likely as cheers.

He probably can't express these fears so is putting forward other fears that he does feel able to express eg security. I'm confident that the Queen and his father would not be ok with him having inadequate security so I assume they feel that the proposed security arrangements are perfectly adequate.

Agree with this

notanotheroneagain · 14/03/2022 15:12

The point is , if it did not matter for William, it should not matter for Harry.

tigger2022 · 14/03/2022 15:17

@PinaColada123456

Just a note for those who attempt to blame Harry and William's mother for her death, seatbelt or not, driver over the limit or not, if they hadn't been relentlessly chased by the paps, the driver wouldn't have driven at the speed he did or take the risks he did, towards the end to get rid of the paps. So they were very much the root cause of the crash.

I don't agree, the driver was over the limit, speeding, and nobody was wearing a seatbelt. The excuse for why someone is speeding (they're late, they have to get home, they want to beat a red light, paparazzi are following, etc) is not relevant. The paparazzi also could not have caused the driver to be drunk or nobody to wear a seatbelt. Papparazi in the 90s were ridiculous but if you remove them from the equation the accident would probably still have happened, drink-driving accidents involving non-famous people happen all the time. When something terrible and random happens, it's natural to want somebody to blame, but that doesn't mean it's literally true. I don't even necessarily think it's wise to blame and hate the driver as he was suffering from addiction (which is better understood now) so he was a victim too.

Yeahthat · 14/03/2022 15:21

@tigger2022

Just looked at an article on the BBC which says investigators believe the driver was doing up to 121mph (in a 30mph zone) when he crashed. How can anyone believe that's a rational response to someone trying to take your picture?

DesertStorms · 14/03/2022 15:22

They are completely different situations, as has been pointed out.

IcedPurple · 14/03/2022 15:23

Henri Paul wasn't even a professional driver. He was deputy head of security at The Ritz.

If Diana had accepted the offer of RPOs, or the French government offer of police protection, Henri Paul wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a steering wheel.

DesertStorms · 14/03/2022 15:24

She had a security guy in the car. He was the only person who survived the crash as he was wearing a seatbelt.

IcedPurple · 14/03/2022 15:26

@DesertStorms

She had a security guy in the car. He was the only person who survived the crash as he was wearing a seatbelt.

He was only a privately hired security guy, who had to do what his bosses told him. And apparently he wasn't wearing a seat belt, as believed at the time.

tigger2022 · 14/03/2022 15:26

@IcedPurple it's a horrible situation people take lots of little risks every day and usually everything is fine, but sometimes things go wrong! I do feel bad for Harry. It's normal to want someone to blame. But it's not healthy, you end up here.

smilesy · 14/03/2022 15:28

The point is , if it did not matter for William, it should not matter for Harry.

I believe it was Harry’s intention to come but he can’t because of his alleged problem with security. And it is a whole service dedicated to Philip. It would have been a bit pointless of William to come back for a memorial that was a one minute part of something else.