Prince Harry not attending Philips memorial

[FlyingGeeseAgain]

It has been confirmed that Prince Harry will not be attending P Philips memorial service. What are people’s thoughts about this? Is the whole security issue a smoke screen for the fact he can’t face his family?

Seriously ? Did anyone see the neo nazis threaten Harry or did we all just know about them because of the trials?

I am sure high value targets like the royals get threats all the time, but we won't know all of them, neither should we.

I'd feel confident that HM and Prince Charles are aware of any security breaches and threats made to PH in the UK and would not agree to inadequate security arrangements for him.

Not too sure they care actually.

Do they care about anyone outside of the line of succession (apart from Andrew ofcourse).

Can't say they have demonstrated any care for Archie.

Seriously ? Did anyone see the neo nazis threaten Harry or did we all just know about them because of the trials?

If there was any further credible threat then he would be offered protection as has been stated by the HO. This threat has been dealt with. It has been discussed on here extensively. It is obviously not a justification for protection. And he was not threatened by neo Nazis on his way back from KP or otherwise or we would have heard about it and /or protection would have been granted for his next visit. He, or you cannot claim that he wants access to intelligence and yet discount the fact that said intelligence does not lead the HO to feel he needs protection

I think they would prefer he stayed away. I expect it would be really awkward after all that unfounded public criticism about the way they were treated.

Really? Are you really saying that the Queen and Prince Charles don't care much about Prince Harry or his children? I think that's pretty far fetched.

@notanotheroneagain

Are you paid to act as some sort of internet janitor for the Sussex?

Are you paid to act as some kind of Internet troll against the Sussexes ?

Receipts are readily available on SM.

What is weird is following someone you can't stand and starting and going on threads about them. Attacking those who disagree with you.
Hell, I know there is a large following for Britney, Taylor, Harry Styles etc. I think they are ok, but not god's gift. Would I go around criticising those who think they are great or good? No, not really. That is just bizarre.

It's a website where people discuss things. That includes things they don't like and/or criticism.

Slightly different to replying to almost every comment posted.

@notanotheroneagain

Not too sure they care actually.

Do they care about anyone outside of the line of succession (apart from Andrew ofcourse).

Can't say they have demonstrated any care for Archie.

If that's the case, then obviously it's best for Harry to entirely cut ties with his family, renounce the titles given him by said family, take up American citizenship and remain in the US, where it's so safe he has no problem sitting in a rodeo in a state where nearly half of all adults own a gun, or having dinner at a corner table in full view of anyone who happened to be passing by, including the 'paps' who just so happened to be there.

@smilesy

Seriously ? Did anyone see the neo nazis threaten Harry or did we all just know about them because of the trials?

If there was any further credible threat then he would be offered protection as has been stated by the HO. This threat has been dealt with. It has been discussed on here extensively. It is obviously not a justification for protection. And he was not threatened by neo Nazis on his way back from KP or otherwise or we would have heard about it and /or protection would have been granted for his next visit. He, or you cannot claim that he wants access to intelligence and yet discount the fact that said intelligence does not lead the HO to feel he needs protection

That threat was swiftly dealt with because of the PPOs, which is what he is asking for now.

As I said before, and linked, his lawyer said the judge would understand why he is being rejected the security from the testimony/evidence he is submitting.

Good! He's done nothing but slag off his family since he slunk off, so he can stay slunked-off. No-one will miss him.

Based on the interview, Harry is quite paranoid in general... so what he's worried about is much higher than the likelihood of something ever actually happening. It must be stressful for him but they can't allocate resources based on how worried someone is, it has to be based on the risk of the specific event and if any threats are known.

Maybe the booing is part of it (he's been the most popular royal for decades and now he's one of the least popular) but I think he genuinely is worried about something bad happening. He still blames the press for his mother's accident. But that's no basis for allocating police unless they are independently judged to be needed.

Yeahthat has it, people replying to almost every post on every thread about the Sussexes are surely obsessing unless they are paid to do this? I find it very weird.

That threat was swiftly dealt with because of the PPOs, which is what he is asking for now.

No, the threat was dealt with because of the intelligence that it existed. PPO’s are there to physically protect someone in the moment. That’s not what was needed in the case of the online threat. And as we have previously said, that threat was not exclusively directed at Harry. Again, if he wants access to intelligence it works both ways in that if intelligence deems there to be no threat, then it must be accepted that that is the case.

And just in case you were going to mention him saying that he was told “the threat level has not changed”, as we don’t know that the threat level was high necessarily, only that it has not changed, that also means that they must believe there is no immediate threat.

Exactly... I mean I had death threats on social media, including from some of those far-right pepe frog avatars. For the person they're aimed at, it's very scary. Not every death threat is credible though. The royal protection officers are not just any police taken off the beat for a charity event. They are highly trained and highly specialised. For that reason, not every royal has them 24/7 or for every event, and you can't have a few specialist royal PPOs sitting around twiddling their thumbs all year just in case Prince Harry pops over for the evening to have his photograph taken at an event.

@smilesy

And just in case you were going to mention him saying that he was told “the threat level has not changed”, as we don’t know that the threat level was high necessarily, only that it has not changed, that also means that they must believe there is no immediate threat.

Also, that was 2 years ago, which is a long time in terms of 'threats'. Harry's role, his public profile and indeed the world in general have changed a lot since then. So even if we assume Harry was telling the truth about this, what was said two years ago is no longer relevant now.

No, the threat was dealt with because of the intelligence that it existed

Once more, that is what he is asking for, his security had direct access then, which will not be so immediate with the private security. He made that clear.

Ravec committee is who is deeming that there is no direct threat. Harry is saying there is a representative there whom the court will understand why they are saying this and why he thinks they are not following proper procedure for this person/s to say this.

@tigger2022

Exactly... I mean I had death threats on social media, including from some of those far-right pepe frog avatars. For the person they're aimed at, it's very scary. Not every death threat is credible though. The royal protection officers are not just any police taken off the beat for a charity event. They are highly trained and highly specialised. For that reason, not every royal has them 24/7 or for every event, and you can't have a few specialist royal PPOs sitting around twiddling their thumbs all year just in case Prince Harry pops over for the evening to have his photograph taken at an event.

And these individuals were arrested?

Also, that was 2 years ago, which is a long time in terms of 'threats'

2yrs of Covid and Harry being in the UK?

They are never going to give a random ex-royal's American bodyguards access to British intelligence, nobody has that right. If a threat against a person becomes known, then the police/intelligence services would make that person known of the threat and take actions if necessary (which may be providing a PPO but not necessarily - it could also be e.g. advising him not to attend a high-risk event or giving him some advice about security).

Also, that was 2 years ago, which is a long time in terms of 'threats'

By this I mean was Harry in the UK in that 2yrs. Was everyone not isolating because of covid?

@notanotheroneagain no they don't really take online threats seriously unless it's someone high profile or rich. They came and advised me to install CCTV or an alarm and that was it!

@notanotheroneagain

Also, that was 2 years ago, which is a long time in terms of 'threats'

2yrs of Covid and Harry being in the UK?

Two years of Harry being a private citizen attending rodeos in gun toting states and other activities not typical of a person terrified for their 'security'.

Threat assessment is a dynamic and constantly changing process. It also takes into account levels of funding available and other practicalities which need to be assessed by highly trained individuals, not folks on the internets who seem to think they know better.

Once more, that is what he is asking for, his security had direct access then, which will not be so immediate with the private security. He made that clear.

And once more I understand that but at the same time he insists he needs PPO’s and therefore access to intelligence, when that same intelligence suggests he doesn’t. He, or you, can’t have it both ways.

@Fridgeorflight

Last time he was in the UK his car was chased by paparazzi. His mum died due to her car being chased by paparazzi. Security sounds like a valid concern to me.

His mum died because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt in a car being driven by someone over the alcohol limit.