If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

To me, Harry has an over stated view of his own importance these days. He’s gone from being a Cheeky Chappie who wants to be one of the lads to an entitled , whining , histrionic person firing off legal challenges on every topic he can think of. Too much time on his hands, and too many chips on his shoulders.

Read the article again @IronCurtain, it clearly states that it was known for ages that KM and W were never going to attend and that that was well known ages in advance. That was reported everywhere.

I don't think I know better than RAVEC. Obviously Harry thinks otherwise to them.

It doesn't matter what he thinks. He is not qualified to make the decision. He's also done a superb job of pissing off the very people who ARE qualified to make that decision, forcing them into legal battles which of course the British taxpayer ultimately has to pay for.

I only think that they are not prioritising his family safety.

Right, so you DO think you know better than RAVEC. And you do seem to think that 'the palace' are indifferent to the safety of the queen's grandson.

Seriously, if the UK authorities are so hostile to poor Harry, maybe it's best he stay in famously safe California and focus on his new life there, not seek the trappings of a status from which he found freedom.

What is special about Harry is that he is a close blood relation to HMQ, PC and PW.

That does not in itself qualify him for round the clock armed security every time he deigns to set foot in Britain. 3 of the queen's own children only get security when at royal events. Harry would get the same, and if there is any genuine danger to him, that of course would be acted upon.

You still haven't said why you believe RAVEC are wrong about this, and why you know better.

As for the rest of your post, I've already said that I'm not going to waste time on the spurious whataboutery that you keep bringing up, despite multiple corrections.

Harry did not force anyone into court. They choose this. Stick to the rules. Don't say ' you cannot pay for the police' knowing very well that there are plenty of instances when people did just that.
They can have a blanket policy on security. Not decide that they like the look of this girlfriend and will protect her, they don't like the look of this wife, so they will not protect. Simples !

The timelines are :

• Harry offered to pay for security at Sandringham, where it was decided that he does need security. It was rejected.
• H comes to PP's funeral and gets protection
• H comes to Diana statue unveiling, security is refused. Something happens.
• H wants security next time and offers to pay for it. This is rejected again.

I only think that they are not prioritising his family safety.

So he can prioritise his own families safety by either not coming and putting their safety above his need for publicity and because he wants to promote his book. Or using his own security paid for by himself to protect his family during private outings when he's not protected by the RF security. Or stay at with family as he has been offered so he gets the round the clock protection he wants.

He has options, he's choosing not to take them because he wants what he wants. It's not a case of if he doesn't get the protection he wants he's not safe. It's a matter of wants it all his way, which IMO is a recurring theme for him and MM.

I personally think he has a lot of chips on his shoulder and his sense of safety is now bordering on being paranoid. He's fixated on my mother was killed by the press, we are going down the same route. PW doesn't think like this.

Harry offered to pay for security at Sandringham, where it was decided that he does need security. It was rejected.

Have you been keeping up with the court hearing at all? This did not happen. Harry lied.

Harry did not force anyone into court. They choose this. Stick to the rules.

Could you link to the official 'rules' regarding round the clock armed security for California based CHIMPOs?

Not decide that they like the look of this girlfriend and will protect her, they don't like the look of this wife, so they will not protect. Simples !

It's not 'simples' at all, unless you are insinuating something very serious about the UK authorities. In which case, to repeat, surely Harry is better off just staying in California? He has no public role in the UK and his presence is not required. I suspect ultimately it is this which bothers him.

PW doesn't think like this because he is guarded to within an inch of his life! He doesn't have to think about security ever. Yes I know, before anyone says it, H chose to leave. But as we pay for PA who has 24 hour security and has walked back from royal duties... it's a bit unfair in that context. When he was shooting back and forth from Balmoral/Windsor avoiding legal papers, he had PPOs with him and PPO car following behind. He had given up was forced to give up royal duties at that point.

Glad some posters have found their safe place on an H&M thread again.
Now PA has blown over. or has it?

Can anyone clarify if Harry has been invited to the jubilee by the queen or he's choosing to come himself?

I guess if he has been invited I could see his argument more- ish.

I don't think the average person cares whether he comes or not.

He has no public role in the UK and his presence is not required

Ahhh... now we are getting to the bottom of it. He should never see his family again.

@Roussette

He has no public role in the UK and his presence is not required

Ahhh... now we are getting to the bottom of it. He should never see his family again.

He doesn't need to come to such a high profile public event where he needs all this high intelligence security. Come privately with your own security to see your family privately. He wants to use the visit for his own means.

So he can prioritise his own families safety by either not coming and putting their safety above his need for publicity and because he wants to promote his book. Or using his own security paid for by himself to protect his family during private outings when he's not protected by the RF security. Or stay at with family as he has been offered so he gets the round the clock protection he wants.

He can stay with family, I'm sure his cousins would love to host him. I think he would like to catch up with his old charities others he works with too. He did use his own security at Diana unveiling, but something went wrong, so he is not risking his dc and wife. It may well come to that if the court disagrees, he may not come for years, till the threat goes down completely. But you surely cannot blame him for trying to get this sorted now. His grandma is getting on, his dc and their cousins getting older, so why would he not try his best to come over. If the courts decide otherwise (I highly doubt they will), then he is simply not risking his children.

Come privately with your own security to see your family privately

That would work except... PPOs here are armed. His security won't be.

@Roussette

He has no public role in the UK and his presence is not required

Ahhh... now we are getting to the bottom of it. He should never see his family again.

I'm not sure what you mean.

He can see any family members who are happy to meet with him whenever he wants. That's up to them. No business of anyone else. No reason why anyone of us should even know about it.

The fact is, by his own choice, he now has no official role in British public life.

No reason why anyone of us should even know about it

Do you honestly think he could come over here and not be papped? The gutter press are desperate for him to... for clickbait.

@Roussette

Come privately with your own security to see your family privately

That would work except... PPOs here are armed. His security won't be.

There are many celebrities etc at this risk but they aren't demanding armed police. They get on with it. If the risk of this was high enough he would be getting armed protection. It's been assessed as not being needed so he needs to either not come, come with his own security and crack on like everyone else in the world does.

And Andrew?

It's OK for him to have 24 hour security? If he were to go and play a game of golf, he'd have PPOs.

It's not about privately meeting his family.

As I said upthread, he visited his charities when he was last here.
Gareth Thomas made it clear that Harry still works for the AIDS cause. He still has to meet the Invictus vets etc. plenty of people to see, aside from his family.

@ notanotheroneagain.

Oh dear , you do like to rewrite history don’t you ?

The bottom line is that Harry wants his cake and eat it . Why would he keep his taxpayer provided security when he was leaving official duties and the U.K. ?
He was under official protection at PP’s funeral as all the senior Royals were there .
The alleged incident when Harry left a charity event has been disputed . If I can find the link I will post but there is a video somewhere on Twitter showing Harry’s car leaving the event with no sign of any harassing paparazzi.

@Roussette

No reason why anyone of us should even know about it

Do you honestly think he could come over here and not be papped? The gutter press are desperate for him to... for clickbait.

So what if he gets 'papped'? People get 'papped' every day. They don't get armed police security.

My point is that any visits Harry makes to his family are only the concern of him and whichever family member is willing to meet with him. It's a private matter for a private citizen, not the concern of taxpayers or the police.

In any case, as has been repeatedly pointed out, if he visits a senior royal, he would be covered by their security.

Nobody has yet made a case as to why they know better than RAVEC regarding the special arrangements made for assessing Harry's security.

Why would he keep his taxpayer provided security when he was leaving official duties and the U.K. ?

Andrew's not left the UK (probably not allowed to!). No royal duties. He has it.

It's an uncomfortable truth for some that it's different rules for different members of the RF.

So what if he gets 'papped'?

When I said papped, I meant papped and possibly more.

As has been stated on here. Harry never at any point specified what or who the threat was.
The media are the ones who have been going on about paparazzi chasing and claiming that was the actual threat.

You are the one rewriting history here.

Roussette

No reason why anyone of us should even know about it

“Do you honestly think he could come over here and not be papped? The gutter press are desperate for him to... for clickbait.”

Not sure I agree with you . Most people I know are no longer interested in H and M and their shenanigans. I only pop onto this board to admire the slavish devotion of you and some others .
They really are not as interesting as they think they are .

@notanotheroneagain

It's not about privately meeting his family.

As I said upthread, he visited his charities when he was last here.
Gareth Thomas made it clear that Harry still works for the AIDS cause. He still has to meet the Invictus vets etc. plenty of people to see, aside from his family.

He would be visiting these organisations as a private citizen.

If he needs full armed security to visit a charity, costing the taxpayers thousands a day, then maybe he should accept that he would be better supporting these charities without a physical presence, or perhaps focus on charities in his new homeland, where apparently he feels safe enough to go about his daily life without a police escort.

Not sure I agree with you . Most people I know are no longer interested in H and M and their shenanigans

Yet here you are posting on a thread about them

They generate a massive amount of interest.