If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

I think he should get police protection, but I also think part of the reason he wants to come for the jubilee celebrations is because he is timing the publication of his book to coincide with it/ride on the Queen's coat-tails for maximum publicity, thence maximum sales/money for himself. It'll be like his own little marketing tour for his book.

None of the 3 people you have mentioned over and over again paid for bespoke armed Met police security. You know that, as you've been told over and over again.
Gosh how much gap are in people's memories. All of this has been covered right on this thread. Maybe it's time to re-read the thread.

Pippa does not have dedicated security, but has used the rf special security for an event that KM was not even attending.

I would say that St James Palace security, and Tony Blair security are quite bespoke and specialised.

Harry seems to be saying that he can hire private security who could fend off photographers or the odd nutter in his path. But these private operators don't have access to any intelligence about specific threats. I think the Met are saying that they assess the intelligence and will decide if he needs additional security from them when he is in the UK.

Can we just be clear on here, that we don't know what Harry's residential status is

Seriously? He lives full time in the US. His wife is an American citizen he has bought a house in the US. He is still a UK citizen, but he is not resident in the UK. If he came back every 3 months we would know about it, given that he doesn’t feel safe in the UK surely. If he can get in under the radar, then why wouldn’t he continue to do that instead of demanding security?

@notanotheroneagain

None of the 3 people you have mentioned over and over again paid for bespoke armed Met police security. You know that, as you've been told over and over again. Gosh how much gap are in people's memories. All of this has been covered right on this thread. Maybe it's time to re-read the thread.

Pippa does not have dedicated security, but has used the rf special security for an event that KM was not even attending.

I would say that St James Palace security, and Tony Blair security are quite bespoke and specialised.

Not one of these people has paid for a personal armed Met Police escort. You're making yourself look ridiculous by making the same false claims over and over again.

I'm not going to indulge you on this any further.

I just said, after Covid, he can do that. Obviously he could not before. maybe that is what he is preparing for. Maybe he did come and had threats or had problems, who knows, he obviously does not feel safe.

We don't know anything about visits, if the palace does not leak it. Just as they did not seem to know about Eugenie visit, and we just saw them at the Superbowl.

@Wartywart

I think he should get police protection, but I also think part of the reason he wants to come for the jubilee celebrations is because he is timing the publication of his book to coincide with it/ride on the Queen's coat-tails for maximum publicity, thence maximum sales/money for himself. It'll be like his own little marketing tour for his book.

Yes, exactly.

Camilla was under one of the palace protections. It's already been linked on here

I've found one link to a report in the Daily Mirror, and it's not opening properly for me. I note however that it references a 2002 report, and I found reporting from 2002 about this, and they specify that they were retired PPOs

@ notanotheroneagain

As I have said before, your unwavering loyalty to Harry ( and Meghan) is commendable however you really have to check facts .
Charles employed RETIRED PPOs for Camilla prior to their engagement.
I have tried to find evidence of your assertion that Pippa used royal security when Catherine wasn’t with her but can find nothing . Happy to stand corrected if you can post a link/ evidence.

Not one of these people has paid for a personal armed Met Police escort. You're making yourself look ridiculous by making the same false claims over and over again.

I'm not going to indulge you on this any further.

Everything has been linked already. If you just want to make up your own scenarios, this is mums net, we have a right to dispute what you say.
A link was put up that KM paid for private security. TB pays back the taxpayer when he travels, PM has had royal security look after her when KM was not even attending. Camilla was protected under St James security.

Plenty of screen shots here, I suggest you go and re-read, instead of trying to rewrite what took place.

@notanotheroneagain

I’ll try in a different way: what does it matter to you that Harry is given the protection he expects?

MPs get frequent, regular and credible death threats made against them. Two have been murdered now on the basis of the job they do. Yet they're not getting on demand armed police protection, even though they could now make a better case than Harry for deserving it on the basis of their continuing role in public service. He should get on with using his privately sourced protection team, and think himself lucky that he enjoys the level of wealth and privilege he does which makes that possible.

@ Skiptheheartsandflowers

Well said .

he obviously does not feel safe

No, he apparently says he feels unsafe, possibly because he feels this will get him what he wants
Whether he actually would be unsafe is something else again, and anyway the Home Office have made clear that, if their professional assessment shows there's a real risk, security will be provided

So I'm not enntirely sure what his problem is, unless it's that the authorities have failed to bend the knee to his every whim

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

MPs get frequent, regular and credible death threats made against them. Two have been murdered now on the basis of the job they do. Yet they're not getting on demand armed police protection, even though they could now make a better case than Harry for deserving it on the basis of their continuing role in public service. He should get on with using his privately sourced protection team, and think himself lucky that he enjoys the level of wealth and privilege he does which makes that possible.

I don't quite get your argument.

Harry was saved from ending up like those MP's because he had the rf protection. What are you saying exactly, that he must wait till he is in the exact predicament as Joe Cox etc. ? ie get killed ?
That is what he is trying to avoid.

If MPs are being threatened like the ones who died, then they should surely be protected. Not wait till they get killed.

So far, I am aware of Dianne Abbot as getting the grunt of it for a while now, and frankly, I don't think the Tories care enough to protect her. I think she definitely should be protected as it's publicly known she gets a truckload of threats, and I believe most are serious in what they say.

In Harry's case, I'm not sure how far more serious you can prove people are, other than them getting convicted by a court of law. It has already been reported that he has had several threats since being with Meghan, but it's been proven that some of those are not idle.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

MPs get frequent, regular and credible death threats made against them. Two have been murdered now on the basis of the job they do. Yet they're not getting on demand armed police protection, even though they could now make a better case than Harry for deserving it on the basis of their continuing role in public service. He should get on with using his privately sourced protection team, and think himself lucky that he enjoys the level of wealth and privilege he does which makes that possible.

Totally agree. There are many people living in fear for their lives.

I don't quite get your argument.

The argument is that many people face threats, but they don't get their own bespoke armed police escort, much less take legal action to demand it. Unlike Harry, who lives in California and plugs a coaching app for a living, MPs are resident in the UK and are public servants. And even they don't get their own armed police bodyguards, or even, in most cases, any kind of security at all.

In Harry's case, I'm not sure how far more serious you can prove people are, other than them getting convicted by a court of law. It has already been reported that he has had several threats since being with Meghan, but it's been proven that some of those are not idle.

Do you really believe that RAVEC, the expert body tasked with such matters, is not aware of this freely available information, and will not have used it in their assessment of Harry's risk profile?

RAVEC, who are in possession of vastly more information than you or I, have said that he will receive protection on a 'case by case' basis. I'm not sure why that's not good enough for him. After all, he seemed perfectly happy to mingle with thousands of strangers in Los Angeles without any FBI protection.

I think it does boil down to whether security assessments are better made by RAVEC or by some other person

And whether RAVEC should continue to be able to offer a range of levels of protection, in the light if specific circumstances at the time.

Plenty of screen shots here, I suggest you go and re-read, instead of trying to rewrite what took place

PM - physical security for a venue, not personal protection
KM - traffic control and crowd management for an event, not personal protection
Camilla - retired, not serving, PPOs

I think you'll find that people will keep correcting information which contains inaccuracies

And what 'public service' were KM and Camilla doing when they were protected as girlfriends?

RAVEC is not exclusively made up of the Met and HO, the palace have representatives in that committee too. I think they have the heavier voice of who gets protected in the RF.

If you are referring to the Super Bowl, you are aware that the celebrity VIP section is the most protected, right. Even the glass shields in front of them are bullet proof.

This is a new narrative that its was retired PPOs for Camilla. At the time, it was reported that they were 'full time working' security.

RAVEC is not exclusively made up of the Met and HO, the palace have representatives in that committee too. I think they have the heavier voice of who gets protected in the RF.

You 'think' this or you know it?

And are you suggesting that 'the palace' is conspiring to have the queen's grandson put at risk?

If you are referring to the Super Bowl, you are aware that the celebrity VIP section is the most protected, right. Even the glass shields in front of them are bullet proof.

He wasn't in the 'celebrity VIP section'.' He supposedly had freebies from the coaching app he shills for. And he was happily strolling around the dressing room with no armed FBI escort, just as he lives his life in California every day without police protection.

Again, why do you think you know better than RAVEC? Why is the special status granted to him, whereby his security is evaluated on a case by case basis, not good enough? Especially as he'd have full royal security when visiting senior royals or taking part in official events. He's a private citizen who lives in California. What makes him so unique?

@mpsw

Plenty of screen shots here, I suggest you go and re-read, instead of trying to rewrite what took place

PM - physical security for a venue, not personal protection
KM - traffic control and crowd management for an event, not personal protection
Camilla - retired, not serving, PPOs

I think you'll find that people will keep correcting information which contains inaccuracies

Pippa - why is it Royal Protection Officers who are doing a venue sweep. This is usually a job for uniforms.

Kate Moss - I was specifically responding to the sweeping statement that 'you cannot pay for police'. I said, you can under case by case situations.

Camilla - as I said and linked. The security was reported as full time staff at the time.

You will find that I also correction information which contains inaccuracies.

Loads of foreign royals and VIPs visit London every day, some are under great threat, they all have their own protection team , none are provided by the Met.

It’s really immature playing victim when what they are asking for is simply impossible.

Canada refused to pay for their security when they announced their plans to leave, they made no fuss then, and where happy to accept the help from one of their friends.

@notanotheroneagain I’m not on either side of this debate but based on some experience with similar type of events I would guess the venue sweep in the case of Pippa Middleton was because there was a possibility of her sister attending. I’ve seen many venue sweeps done when in the end the principal did not go anywhere near the location - sometimes due to a change in schedule, sometimes actually because the security sweep would deem it unsafe.

Obviously I have no idea what actually went on for that particular event but I would be very surprised if it’s not something along these lines.

I don't think I know better than RAVEC. Obviously Harry thinks otherwise to them. He will also know who sits on the board. I only think that they are not prioritising his family safety.

What is special about Harry is that he is a close blood relation to HMQ, PC and PW. What was so special about KM (3yrs before marriage) and Camilla as girlfriends ?

When MM was dating Harry, Suits were the ones who decided to provide her with security, not the palace.

Better Up had a suite at the VIP section. The Super Bowl cranks up security, especially for the suits because US 'royalty' attends.