If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

[PostingForTheFirstTime]

...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

Rubicscubicle " if adele or anyone was named by neo nazis I would expect her to be protected every time she came to the UK"

Sally Lockhart " paid for by the tax paying public"

The met/ security forces assess the risk. Victims of serious DV or stalkers may get their home address "flagged" at best. So decisions will need to be both PROPORTIONATE to the assessed risk. Therefore public services are continually assessing risk of threat combined with resource capacity. Harry needs to wind his neck in, the security services in the UK are paid for by the the tax paying public. It is not available or to set a precedent for rich people to access on more favourable terms than the hard working fuckers who pay for it, or for the intelligence equally paid for by us, it is NOT accessible as a two tier system for harry and his family to get preferential treatment.

@smilesy

So my suspicion is that the palace do not want to give him the security

Why? They learned the hard way with Diana (even though she refused security) that the public do not take well to any harm coming to members of the Royal Family, especially young ones. What possible advantage could it be to them to deny security if it was deemed necessary. Just to be spiteful? Again, the threat level may not have reduced, but reduced form what level? It could be that it is not very high but has not reduced. Security threats are not discussed. It is assumed that saying that it has not reduced means that it was high in the first place but how do we know this is the case?

Why on earth would PC want harm to come to Harry and his family? It makes no sense at all. Even if PC was a hard hearted monster then surely he would be thinking about his own reputation if there was a tragedy.

Why on earth would PC want harm to come to Harry and his family? It makes no sense at all. Even if PC was a hard hearted monster then surely he would be thinking about his own reputation if there was a tragedy.

Exactly. I think it’s a stretch that “the palace”would withhold security if there was a genuine and current threat.

Why did they tip off the press about Harry's location exactly as they were taking away his security ?

I don't know if it's PC himself, butt someone did (most likely from the palace, considering the sensitive nature of security). Maybe those same entities 'advice' that Harry does not need security.

Why did they tip off the press about Harry's location exactly as they were taking away his security ?

How do you know it was someone from the palace? Do you have proof of this? What benefit would it be to them? Did they want to be petty and spiteful? What for?

Exactly. I think it’s a stretch that “the palace”would withhold security if there was a genuine and current threat

Not just a stretch, but inconceivable. Threat-based levels of security are entirely normal.

The decision isn't that he gets none, regardless of threat. It is that he will get a varying level, dependent on threat (and threat assessments are routinely shared with targets). He cannot buy blanket coverage of an official, permanent CP team, and that is the processes which led to that decision that are the subject of the judicial review.

The Met make the decisions about security - see recent press reporting about other changes to royal protection

@ rubicscubicle

As someone already said , after what happened to Diana when she refused security, do you honestly think anyone wants anything bad to happen to H and his family? Charles is a loving father and grandfather and I simply cannot imagine him condoning anything that would endanger his family .

Who knows why the palace do anything they do.

Why did they tip Dan Wootten about the exit - he admitted they did, how could he have known otherwise.

Who knows why the palace do anything they do.

That’s a conveniently sweeping generalisation to cover the fact that you don’t have proof that the palace have denied them security. As many of us have said, what good would it do anyone?

Are people on this thread really that sheltered or clueless ?

I think one or two are yes. We probably wouldn't agree on which posters they are though

@smilesy

Who knows why the palace do anything they do.

That’s a conveniently sweeping generalisation to cover the fact that you don’t have proof that the palace have denied them security. As many of us have said, what good would it do anyone?

Nothing covering about it, I said 'my suspicion' based on RAVEC and the terrorism history. Together with the fact that Harry is obviously disputing the decision.

What good was it doing anyone to leak about the exit. If anything, it throws a lot of (even security related things) in the air about H&M, and puts them in a vulnerable position. No disputing that was leaked from the palace, even Dan admitted as such.

Nothing covering about it, I said 'my suspicion' based on RAVEC and the terrorism history

Read the post by @mpsw at 19.35. She knows about security as we have seen from her previous posts. What was said to Dan Wootton by whoever is not relevant to the fact that security would be allocated if needed.

Harry's first plan was they would be half in.
Some of the time being royal in UK and some of the time being celebrities and making $ in the US. Presumably he never questioned whether security would be provided full time for this. I think he is impulsive and has no idea how others live or think. He just assumed that wherever he went he would be surrounded by security as he always had been.

@StartupRepair

Harry's first plan was they would be half in. Some of the time being royal in UK and some of the time being celebrities and making $ in the US. Presumably he never questioned whether security would be provided full time for this. I think he is impulsive and has no idea how others live or think. He just assumed that wherever he went he would be surrounded by security as he always had been.

I got the impression they were asked for their leaving proposal in detail in writing prior to departing as security would have been of the main issues to sort out. They then released their statement in a hurry after the Sun(?) got hold of the story, together with those releases on Sussex royal website. So it wasn’t sorted and then the all in or all out deal with the RF was agreed and it clearly could not include UK tax payer paid security. The Canadians weren’t happy about footing the short term security bill and that would have added to the consensus in the UK that overseas security could not be provided on a global scale as Harry wanted.

Why. Do. You. Care?

It is said that Charles hired former/retired Met Protection Officers to look after Camilla before they married, when she was very unpopular.
Obviously these people "knew the ropes" and were available as freelancers.
Wouldn't this be a solution for Harry?

@themessygarden

Maybe they have the option of staying at the Clooney's during their visit to the UK, they are good friends.

Amal and their kids must have some serious protection considering the clients she represents and the governments / organisations she goes after.

I imagine Prince Harry's risk would be small fry in comparison to her risk.

Borrowing their home and using the same level of private security they use, would give them a pretty high level of protection, I would guess..

Are the Cloonys good friends... I know they were wedding guests but haven't seen them with H&M lately

@BadgerB, I thought they were, it was reported that Amal was one of the organisers of M's baby shower, they lent her their private jet to fly to NY for the baby shower, and they holidayed at their Italian home after the baby was born. It was reported in the media, so it might not be accurate.

[quote themessygarden]@BadgerB, I thought they were, it was reported that Amal was one of the organisers of M's baby shower, they lent her their private jet to fly to NY for the baby shower, and they holidayed at their Italian home after the baby was born. It was reported in the media, so it might not be accurate.[/quote]
Maybe they WERE good friends.
A lot of high profile slebs seem to have taken several steps back since the Oprah interview

@PostingForTheFirstTime

I was not wanting to address the question of whether or not he gets security provided. As Samcro points out, there is already a thread that has done that question full justice.

The questions are - WHY would you walk your family into a situation in which they are put at risk, when it is not necessary? And WHY would you draw press and pap attention to them, when you believe the press and paps are a credible threat to their safety?

@MissAmbrosia - he can come and visit his family any time quietly and privately. But he is choosing to do so at the height of hoopla when he is bound to attract loads of attention.

That's what he:s after - publicity. He may have wanted to get out of the RF but The Royal Connection is all that makes him interesting

Absolutely AKASammy. He needs a high profile and royal stories. He's getting another bashing in the Mail today over his advice to business executives re avoiding stress.

he can come and visit his family any time quietly and privately. But he is choosing to do so at the height of hoopla when he is bound to attract loads of attention

Exactly. they managed to fly to and hide out in Canada for quite a long time before anyone knew where they were. And after that in America.

@Justkeeppedaling

he can come and visit his family any time quietly and privately. But he is choosing to do so at the height of hoopla when he is bound to attract loads of attention

Exactly. they managed to fly to and hide out in Canada for quite a long time before anyone knew where they were. And after that in America.

Most likely because the palace sources were not told where they are.

I would have thought the Palace would have known where they were, as they were providing security at that point.

Probably not everyone knew.

I am guessing that Sussex Royal knew, possibly BK, but I doubt KP or CH knew.