If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

It was a focused threat on Harry and Meghan because they were named and targeted.

I don't see why everyone is making a big thing out it.

Protection officers were with Philip when he had his accident (he was not a working royal at the time).
They were at Pizza Express (supposedly)
They were even on the Lolita Express (eyewitness confirmed ).

Let me add the word only then. Even though it was quite clear already 🙄

I don't see why everyone is making a big thing out it.

Because it (the neo Nazi thing) is constantly being referred to as the reason why they need protection, when actually they were only one of many people who were targeted. It was not all about them it transpires.

I have to admit I didn't know the breadth of the jailed four's activities either; to my shame, instead of looking into it for myself, I trusted the suggestions on here that it was all about H&M

Not a mistake I usually make, and hopefully one I won't be repeating ...

For a start the police are not for hire to protect individuals. Why did the fearful Harry ride around in an open topped bus. This is all about maintaining a profile in the UK and carrying back tales to Netflix.

Assessments change rapidly with threats being down/upgraded. I'm still of the view that this is part of a long game to cut their extortionate security costs. Possibly even get the half in/out on their terms. With the arm twisting veiled blackmail threats of another tell/all book. Or maybe I'm just cynical

I have said it before but will repeat ; if Harry and his family stay with Charles , they will have Met protection . Surely that is a good solution ? They will also be protected at Jubilee and/ or PP memorial.
It makes me wonder what the real reason for the visit is .

if Harry and his family stay with Charles , they will have Met protection

Considering that even his wife avoids being there much of the time I wouldn't wish a stay with Charles on anyone, but I take your point about the security

I wasn't aware, though, that there are any current plans for Harry to actually visit (?)

I wasn't aware, though, that there are any current plans for Harry to actually visit (?)

Presumably this is in relation to the memorial for Philip and the Jubilee. If Harry says he doesn’t feel it’s safe to be here, then he won’t be able to attend these events 🤷‍♀️

It has been stated in various publications that H wants to visit the U.K. and as he has sued anyone for misinformation, I assume that is correct .

*hasn’t

Presumably this is in relation to the memorial for Philip and the Jubilee

Could be, yes, though attending either would involve clicking and flashing cameras, both of which he's said trigger him

It does seem a little odd that's it's only some cameras which apparently do this ...

@smilesy

I don't see why everyone is making a big thing out it.

Because it (the neo Nazi thing) is constantly being referred to as the reason why they need protection, when actually they were only one of many people who were targeted. It was not all about them it transpires.

Who else did the Neo nazis name?

Their whole point of being is targeting minorities. I don't know them to have named anyone else. But do let us know, who else these four named?

@LondonWolf

Let me add the word only then. Even though it was quite clear already 🙄

Why would you think they would onlyH&M when they were formed long before H&M became a target.

They target every Jewish, Muslim, Black, person etc. anyone who belongs to a 'minority' group. That is their reason for existing. Surely, everyone knows that !

If they name a person, I would expect that person to be protected, as they would then be a direct or high value target !

Are people on this thread really that sheltered or clueless ?

But do let us know, who else these four named?

No need for snark. I don’t think it’s relevant that no one else was named. It involves more people than just them and they are not more important than those other minorities as pp have said. They are just well known names names that it was easy for the media to latch on to. If it had been Adele for example, would she have Special Protection officers if she was deemed to not be in need of them?

It does seem a little odd that's it's only some cameras which apparently do this ...

British cameras to be more specific. The likes of Arthur Edwards, who takes pics fo theSun and says all sorts about Harry and his wife.

Clearly the neo nazis were flagged by the security systems in the uk so presumably the uk intelligence machinery is working well. They, not Harry, are best placed to assess threats against specific individuals and make decisions accordingly. In itself that’s not enough to merit armed police security - but would trigger informing concerned parties of potential risks and advice on what to do to mitigate them.

If Adele or anyone was named by Neo nazis, I would expect her to be protected every time she came to the UK.

@Viviennemary

For a start the police are not for hire to protect individuals. Why did the fearful Harry ride around in an open topped bus. This is all about maintaining a profile in the UK and carrying back tales to Netflix.

We already established that people have paid in the past, and gave the example of Toni Blair.

The open top bus was in the US, it seems its the UK who have a Neo nazi problem with Harry, not Americans.

If Adele or anyone was named by Neo nazis, I would expect her to be protected every time she came to the UK.

Yes if there was still a threat that meant protection was necessary as per the security forces assessment. But there isn’t. Again, no one has said Harry and co shouldn’t be protected if it is necessary. Just not cos he feels like he needs it.

Well he obviously has a reason to ask for the overturn.

He asked, has the threat level gone down, they said no. This was not just the Met, it's RAVEC as I said. A joint decision. So my suspicion is that the palace do not want to give him the security.

@rubicscubicle

If Adele or anyone was named by Neo nazis, I would expect her to be protected every time she came to the UK.

Paid for by the tax paying public?

So my suspicion is that the palace do not want to give him the security

Why? They learned the hard way with Diana (even though she refused security) that the public do not take well to any harm coming to members of the Royal Family, especially young ones. What possible advantage could it be to them to deny security if it was deemed necessary. Just to be spiteful? Again, the threat level may not have reduced, but reduced form what level? It could be that it is not very high but has not reduced. Security threats are not discussed. It is assumed that saying that it has not reduced means that it was high in the first place but how do we know this is the case?

Harry associated himself with Nazis when he chose to wear the costume. Perhaps he even inspired other young men. Criminal groups often target 'their own' if they feel betrayed.

Reading up on that particular neo-nazi group, they are definitely not just targeting Harry.