If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

[PostingForTheFirstTime]

...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

[quote Roussette]@sweetbellyhigh

The thing is... the mindset with some of the british public is we own members of the RF. And some cannot get their heads round the fact... when a member leaves royal duties and supports themselves... we don't own them anymore. And our views are irrelevant.
But that person will always be related to those that are still in the gilded cage.

I don't think Harry will be the last to walk away. It's hard to keep the institution relevant and the subjects onside. There will be big changes in time to come.[/quote]
@Roussette

I'm not particularly a fan of the RF themselves, although I believe that the Queen has carried out her role brilliantly.

Nevertheless, given that the UK is a constitutional monarchy and that no mainstream political party is discussing trying to change this, as well as the fact that since the 90s polling has never put support for becoming a republic above 30%, this seems very far fetched and wishful thinking.

I'm all for a scaled-down monarchy, which is exactly the way it's going.

@mpsw

,pso he can't just bring his US security here, he did that before, but they can't be armed & they don't have any authority here

Well he can, but they would find it challenging, being complete unfamiliar with the country. He would be better off hiring bringing one US team leader, then hiring a team here. He has the connections to get an extremely good team.

They will get threat assessments from the UK authorities, and would get police reinforcements if the threat assessment merited it (not as a blanket default, but when there is need)

If that's not enough, then he is right to decide not to come

He did bring them, but found how restricted they were & how little information they had access to made it a not very satisfactory option.

Why should he not come to his home country & to his family? He didn't ask to be born into the Royal Family. As a Prince in this country he's entitled to protection. He will always be a prince, working royal or not.

Archie is the son of the future monarch God I hope not

Of course it's wishful thinking! Never said aboloshing the monarchy was going to happen! I know it won't. Not in my lifetime and doubtful if it will happen in my adult DCs lifetimes either.

We agree on the next best thing... a very scaled down monarchy!

Gosh... what's happening... we're agreeing!

Not sure you agree on my first paragraph though

And I read elsewhere January... the security forces he brought with him were asked to 'stand down' when he arrived at Heathrow by the security forces here.

@Roussette

No, I don't believe that people feel they own members of the RF. As evidenced by the fact that most can carry on their lives with minimal security; out of context, people barely recognise them.

Essentially the message from people who have criticised the Sussexes here is that they're owed nothing and it's a disgrace for them to sue for the right to hire out our police or any other public service.

In fact, I don't recall anyone being in favour of any 'non-working' royals having access to police close protection.

On a personal level, from what I've heard from them, I find them to be a tedious pair. I welcome them being being "private individuals" and hope that it's as extensively implemented as possible.

Archie is the son of the future monarch, so you cannot really compare him to cousins.

You might want to check that one. Archie is Harry's son. Harry is not the future monarch. Not unless (god forbid) anything awful happens to William.

I am well aware of Kate not having 'royal' protection. I linked the post earlier on...........

Ah but that’s not what you wrote.

I also asked the poster where they got the 'ex' or 'former' from, because I linked the article and diid said nothing about that.

I believe Camilla had all round security.

Here a story from the Mirror about Camilla’s security
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-paid-security-camilla-25967134

They were former policemen.

Essentially the message from people who have criticised the Sussexes here is that they're owed nothing and it's a disgrace for them to sue for the right to hire out our police or any other public service

Yeah.... outside the MN bubble, a lot of people feel very differently to you.

@Roussette

Essentially the message from people who have criticised the Sussexes here is that they're owed nothing and it's a disgrace for them to sue for the right to hire out our police or any other public service

Yeah.... outside the MN bubble, a lot of people feel very differently to you.

You know what I don’t think they do. Look at the comments on twitter, Facebook and under news articles - and not just in the Mail.

I never look at the DFail LittleBear

I see different. A lot of support for Harry wanting to pay to protect his family.

The thing is there will be people who have different opinions of the sussexes, the RF etc.

Quantifying the size of the "fan base" is irrelevant. We do not pay for the Sussexes. And we don't get an annual vote on the RF, we just get to pay for them.

I find the RF far more irritating. They cost me money as a tax payer. Their clunky PR is either boring or offensive.

@Roussette

Essentially the message from people who have criticised the Sussexes here is that they're owed nothing and it's a disgrace for them to sue for the right to hire out our police or any other public service

Yeah.... outside the MN bubble, a lot of people feel very differently to you.

I was talking about criticism of them in this thread. However, outside of MN I've found generally the same.

I think the difference is that I'm offended by the concept of two-tier public services where someone rich or prominent can pay for a superior level.

As I've said previously, perhaps the parents of young men in areas with endemic knife crime, or the guardians of young girls in the grip of grooming gangs would like to be able to buy round-the-clock policing for them. They don't have that option.

I think you have a real sense of 'ownership' of the Sussex family and will simply brook no criticism of them. It's touching, but ultimately renders futile any attempt to discuss how problematic such a two-tier policing system is, where the rich can coopt scarce resources.

K Pop is super popular. Massive fan base.
It still isn't for me and that's fine.

Their fans love it and it brings them joy, and I wish them well.

The RF and the Royal reporters desire to rip apart the sussexes and downplay Andrew until very recently has led to some very aggressive and vulgar victim blaming and some quite racist dog whistles

Camilla tominey of the telegraph called VG a prostitute in print. This is way beyond normal fandom and has real life impacts. In order to protect Andrew our media resuscitated old nasty victim blaming narratives. I would bin the lot of them.

I don't feel I 'own' anyone thanks!

Strange comment from you.

@Topseyt

Archie is the son of the future monarch, so you cannot really compare him to cousins.

You might want to check that one. Archie is Harry's son. Harry is not the future monarch. Not unless (god forbid) anything awful happens to William.

Only if William, George, Charlotte and Louis all die or abdicate. Seems a bit of a long shot.

@Roussette

I don't feel I 'own' anyone thanks!

Strange comment from you.

@Roussette

Lol aw, no this time.

Was hoping we could wrap things up on a positive note.

@Topseyt

Archie is the son of the future monarch, so you cannot really compare him to cousins.

You might want to check that one. Archie is Harry's son. Harry is not the future monarch. Not unless (god forbid) anything awful happens to William.

Duh,

took you long enough.
Most posters not commenting as they know what I mean, an obvious mistake obviously.

@clovertrot

I've not read the full thread and am not up to date on my royal family/Meghan and Harry knowledge....

But surely it's understandable that he's sensitive about this. His mum was killed after being chased by paparazzi and if I'm understanding right he and his family were chased by paparazzi on a recent visit?

And wasn't his mum apportioned a degree of blame for her own death because she rejected royal protection and chose instead private security?

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1442156/rince-harry-claims-oprah-winfrey-no-protection-palace-princess-diana-security-divorce-spt

Isn't what he's asking for fairly understandable in this context?! Again my disclaimer is that this isn't something I've followed/bothered about - I just stumbled upon this thread.

I don't remember her being criticised about not having royal protection but I don't read that much about them to be honest but I do remember some degree of blame (I'm not sure that blame is the right word maybe responsibility is better) because she wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

I'd never thought about what a difference the seatbelt laws made but my husband, he's a retired police officer, said it was normally mayhem at the local hospital on a Friday/Saturday night with accidents and lots of drunk drivers. The weekend after it became law he walked into A&E, a favourite spot for a warm and a cuppa on a cold night and knowing him probably a bit of flirtation with the nurses but he was single then so I can't complain. He said he was stunned at how quiet it was. I suppose there must be stats about it somewhere.

Howsabout a 🙂 followed by a 😜?!!

(all meant in a spirit of fragile reconciliation of course lol)

@nottodaybatman

K Pop is super popular. Massive fan base. It still isn't for me and that's fine.

Their fans love it and it brings them joy, and I wish them well.

The RF and the Royal reporters desire to rip apart the sussexes and downplay Andrew until very recently has led to some very aggressive and vulgar victim blaming and some quite racist dog whistles

Camilla tominey of the telegraph called VG a prostitute in print. This is way beyond normal fandom and has real life impacts. In order to protect Andrew our media resuscitated old nasty victim blaming narratives. I would bin the lot of them.

THis ^

Most posters not commenting as they know what I mean, an obvious mistake obviously. Well it was quite a clear statement, not sure what the mix up is in our understanding.

@ChiefInspectorParker

Dan Wootton is a journalist who hails from New Zealand. We are all deeply ashamed of him. A thoroughly odious man who fancies himself as a Piers Morgan. Ugh, it hurt just to type those names.

I believe the only people entitled by law to police protection in the UK is the ruling monarch and the prime minister the rest are prorected on an as needed basis in line with their public job.

@ancientgran

Most posters not commenting as they know what I mean, an obvious mistake obviously. Well it was quite a clear statement, not sure what the mix up is in our understanding.

An obvious statement to someone who does not know who Harry and Archie are. Which most posters on here know, surely !