Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

It’s important to make a distinction between the institution of monarchy and individuals who are part of it. Harry and Andrew will always be part of the royal family, but they may not have official roles. Harry was apparently willing to step away from most of his official roles and become a private citizen, fulfilling some kind of role in a royal capacity, whereas it can’t be argued that Andrew was equally willing to step away.

Also, the royals may have believed Andrew protestations of innocence, he may also have withheld information that only he would have been privy to. Clearly Andrew thought he would not have to make an appearance in court or tried his utmost to avoid it, even though most people with an ounce of common sense would have jumped at the chance to actually prove their innocence instead of going on an ill-advised interview…not to mention how much in denial you would have to be to think that that interview actually went well.

It’s quite clear from the public statements for Harry and Meghan were more sympathetic from the Queen as the head of the royal family. I’m not aware of such a similar statement regarding Andrew, but I don’t follow the royal news in quite a lot of detail so I may have missed it.

Oh so the UK police and intelligence agencies are up for rent. I need them for a couple of hours next weekend. How do I get a quote?

It is on the front of some Sunday newspapers.
As said the story about Harry is an old one. This has been released as part of a wider PR strategy to stop the public from talking so much about Andrew

Or Boris?

@HeddaGarbled yes it helps Boris Johnson as well. But given the story offered up as a distraction is about Harry and Meghan, then this has come from the Royal Family.

If Prince Harry had stayed in the UK as a working royal, would he still have access to security? I am wondering why he would leave the safety of the UK if his family were in danger? if my DH or children's lives were at risk, I wouldn't be leaving my police security behind for a new life in America.

@StormzyinaTCup

This story was leaked to cover up for a sex offender by the RF The timing is not accidental

I think the RF are well past the 'covering up' stage.
The DM have been covering PA on their front pages daily for at least the last three weeks.

Exactly, it’s been headline news on tv and front page headlines, not exactly a cover up.

Beatrice and Eugenie will need protection thanks to the crimes of their father. They won’t be able to ‘rent’ the police. Harry was a great chap but his head is in the clouds now, he’s just an entitled little git these days.

@rosewater20

Would you trade personal safety for raising your children in a constant barrage of targeted racism towards them and their mother? Because that was the choice.

Racism destroys you over time. I would not put my child through that while my family firm required me to work with the same people writing and amplifying racism to my wife and new born.

But it is to stop the media and social media talking so much about Andrew.

@nottodaybatman as someone with the same racial background of MM I would take the racism (as I myself have dealt with on a personal and public stage) in order to keep the police security if my life, my DH and the lives of my children where indeed in danger.

@CatNameChange101

Beatrice and Eugenie will need protection thanks to the crimes of their father. They won’t be able to ‘rent’ the police. Harry was a great chap but his head is in the clouds now, he’s just an entitled little git these days.

If Beatrice and Eugenie need police protection, they will get it paid by the British taxpayers. As it is no one blames them for the crimes of their father.

Your choice for you. It is not an easy one and it shouldn't have come to that in 2020

I would not expose my child to anti black racism, I think it is dangerous. I would leave, get a proper job and take my chances in the country of my wife's birth. The studies about the impact of racism on non white children are awful. I couldn't knowingly do it to my children, when there was potentially a better way.

@rosewater20

Is this a bid from him to try and show that he does need that level of security and was denied it? In that of this report shows he needed the security he wanted to pay for it then opens up the “well why did he have to pay?” debate.

Everyone knows you can’t hire the police. If you need the security, be you a prince or a pauper, you get it. We had police outside our house once when my father was missing and threatening all sorts.

When he was in the UK he had the level of security that the team at the Met who deal with the royals felt he needed. He was never denied any security here, just the amount that he felt they needed.

@nottodaybatman I understand and I agree that it is not an easy choice. Frankly, I can't really make an honest guess at what my choices would have been had I been in their position because I am not, nor will I ever be. I also can't pretend to really know what has transpired within the royal family--or between PH and MM and the royal family. The whole thing feels very sad and toxic.

Since they are no longer working members of the family, I would assume that they have to be treated the same as any other member of the public. If the police forces feel that their lives are at risk when they are in the UK then I would expect for them to have police protection (just as I would expect the police to protect any one in danger), but if not, then they will have to do with their own security personal. I assume they are allowed to stay at one of the royal palaces/castles while in the UK? If so, then at least they have protection there.

People at risk routinely do not get police protection. It is extremely expensive to provide.

Seriously you think ordinary members of the public get police protection? They do not. Women who know their ex-partners or exes families want to murder them are not given police protection. And some are murdered.

It always amazes me the vitriol that H&M receive on here. I mostly consider MN to be full of interesting, thought-provoking posts from funny, intelligent women, but then these two are mentioned and it's like everyone's brains fall out and suddenly the Mail becomes the beacon of truth of which can be reliably repeated without question

None of us know these people - any of them. The only real value they have is to distract the serfs - it's depressing as fuck how effective it is, a bit of red meat for the perpetually angry!

@AllThePogs

Seriously you think ordinary members of the public get police protection? They do not. Women who know their ex-partners or exes families want to murder them are not given police protection. And some are murdered.

When there’s a clear, immediate threat they do. We had police outside the door for over 15 hours when it was needed.

Obviously, that wouldn’t have gone on for months or years. But when there’s an immediate threat it happens (and I’m not saying they always get the urgency correct!).

Needs are assessed. Wants are not. That’s the difference between Andrew’s opinion on what security his daughter needed and the police’s. And seems Harry’s opinion vs the polices about what his family need.

I also just want to add, that I feel my first comment was a bit flippant. I want to clarify that racism is never okay, nor is it something that I would want my children having to live with. I understand, deeply, the longterm impacts of racism and what it can do to an individual. Its not right and it is not okay. And, I feel that racism is following them wherever they go. They still have to deal with racism in America, they still deal with it in the press and yet, they now don't have the security protection that would have at least kept them and their children safe. It feels no win to me.

@AllThePogs

Seriously you think ordinary members of the public get police protection? They do not. Women who know their ex-partners or exes families want to murder them are not given police protection. And some are murdered.

Like Diana

@lemmein

It always amazes me the vitriol that H&M receive on here. I mostly consider MN to be full of interesting, thought-provoking posts from funny, intelligent women, but then these two are mentioned and it's like everyone's brains fall out and suddenly the Mail becomes the beacon of truth of which can be reliably repeated without question

None of us know these people - any of them. The only real value they have is to distract the serfs - it's depressing as fuck how effective it is, a bit of red meat for the perpetually angry!

What an utter crock of judgemental, pretentious shite!

So the 'funny, intelligent women' of Mumsnet, don't post about Harry and Meghan in the way you would like them to?

Our brains fall out and we inexplicably become disciples of the 'beacon of truth' that is the Daily Mail.

It could of course, have nothing to do with the fact that we might be hard working women, bringing up children in Covid times, in suburbs, many of us living in social housing, on limited incomes that don't have a whole lot of sympathy for privileged peacocks who live in a world we can only dream of, with immense wealth, fame and privilege?

I have ZERO sympathy for Harry and Meghan and it has fuck all to the with the Daily Mail.

@rosewater20

The racism in the UK was targeted at them specifically, in a way that it is not in the US. I do not think Americans care to write and obsess about RF even them.

More than that the RF never once pushed back on the racism even against the new born babies. The writers pushing this nonsense continued to hob nob with the royals. It was and is disgusting and reflects incredibly poorly on the RF. I could not work in a firm like that even if they were my relatives, I would be devastated if my family treated my children as so unworthy of basic protection even as babies.

@rosewater20

Regarding the racism allegations. The elephant in the room is, of course, that the only royal proven to have racially abused anyone is Prince Harry. Prince Harry, who was filmed saying: "Fuck me, you look like a raghead" and calling another recruit, "our little Paki friend", now libels his own family as racists. He's a truly disgraceful, entitled individual.

@Viviennemary

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

@Viviennemary The fact that you read the DM says a lot.