Harry to sue UK governmdnt

[Viviennemary]

This is according to the DM. Over the withdrawal of his security funding.

@Snowdropsinourforest

I quietly suspect it suits the Queen and the RF very well for Harry NOT to visit after everything that has happened. Why on earth would they fall over themselves to provide anything for them after the betrayal and damage H&M have caused?

I wouldn't want them within a country mile of me and my family in their position.

The security will never be provided, and Harry can stay exactly where he is as per his decision to quit his own family, it suits everyone perfectly I would say.
Lets face it, I think the RF have much bigger things to worry about at the moment - the Queen's health being by far the most worrisome.

It is sad how gullible and easily manipulated people are.

Do you not understand that the institution - with its competing media teams which caused the press conflict you reference - is a separate beast from the relationships of the human family born into it?

The lack of critical thought from people who swallow & parrot media headlines designed to sell content as if they were peer reviewed scientific evidence is depressing.

Do you know anything about the business operations of the institution? The separate teams behind individuals who compete for media attention on their activities? About the purpose of different members briefing against others to draw attention back to their own endeavours?

Or have you been completely suckered in by the narrative that HM is some hapless and naive granny rather than a woman who has dedicated almost a century to learning about, supporting and then running and protecting an institution she considers more important than her own life or desires?

HM is not some clueless old lady who's too stupid to do more than wear pretty dresses and cut ribbons. Her family relationships are entirely separate to her business and PR decisions. If you don't understand that then you're not in a position to comment with any credibility.

‘ I have my suspicions that he is using this “lack of security” as a potential excuse to cover any embarrassment at not being invited to some of the Jubilee celebrations. Just speculation of course.’

Ditto.
Harry has a monster case of FOMO.

Also many posters seem to forget that it is not up to the RF who gets protection. It is decided by the Met. So it’s unlikely that he won’t get it due to some sort of RF vendetta.

Like all other government departments, the Met will have scrutiny with what they do. If they show up at your house because of a risk to you and you say, no I don't want it, they will not stay. There will be processes and procedures with dealing with the RF. If they determine that there is a particular threat with a member, but the RF says, no you do not need to protect that person, then the Met cannot force them.

So to me, it seems the rf told the Met that they do not need to protect Harry, despite him saying they did, and the Met agreeing with him.

I have a feeling he will win this one.

[quote nottodaybatman]@Roussette

Its so odd. I do not want to pay for any of them.
I also do not appreciate the disingenuous bleating in the press from RF sources about Harry not visiting when they knew why. The RF chose this. They are playing games and they were exposed this time.

They look ridiculous. I hope the sussexes never ever come back. The RF are petty and embarrassing. All this energy, conniving and manipulation for Andrew.
The gall and the audacity to do this to defend Andrew[/quote]
They are playing games

That is the entire purpose of all media interactions and statements from the RF. Do people really not understand that?

It is naive in the extreme to take any of it at face value or view comments passed to the media as in any way representative of private conversations and relationships.

This is not an average family casually posting on Facebook, it is a stage managed PR operation for a business.

Why would H&M be blamed for the Queen's health?

That's ridiculous!

Andrew maybe... it's not often you have a Monarch's son possibly up in court for sexual offences.

I agree they may not be given a prominent slot, Snowdrop, but would have thought they could still stick them on the balcony somewhere?

After all the Queen's been at pains to say they're still "much loved family members" and they have plenty of others waving from up there who have no active roles

@UniversalAunt

‘ I have my suspicions that he is using this “lack of security” as a potential excuse to cover any embarrassment at not being invited to some of the Jubilee celebrations. Just speculation of course.’

Ditto.
Harry has a monster case of FOMO.

My goodness, how embarrassing to be both so poorly informed and easily manipulated.

I think they will be treated the same way as the York sisters and other cousins. What is wrong with that?

Everyone knows the Queen is wonderfully committed and a very intelligent and wise person - we also know that how strong she is, and the kind of terrible damage and shame Harry has brought to the family will never be forgiven

Lol

We really don't know what the Queen is like at all. We only know what is spoonfed to us.
Having said that, I imagine she is stoical and determined.

You forgot to mention her son Andrew? Y'know... the one who has done more damage to the RF than the whole lot of them put together?
Yet you think it is H&M that are the ones who have caused shame and terrible damage.

Laughable!

We saw William's discomfort at the statue unveiling when he had to be with H.

While the Jubilee events would be good material for their Netflix documentary (maybe the one that they were filming in NYC) I can't see it happening regardless of this security issue. It would shift focus away from HM and the headlines would be stuff like an analysis of every member's body language. The clip of Harry telling Meghan to face forward at a balcony event (Trooping of the Colour?) is repeated often enough.

Andrew needs to be banished from the balcony though. Nobody wants to see him there apart from HM.

Snowdrops I think there are also lots of unicorns and fairies in the forest you're living in.

User12345lotsofothernumbers has told you how the whole thing actually works.

The RF is a business. It really is. They make corporate PR decisions to ensure the Firm's survival.

Harry is a rogue junior Board member who's betrayed the RF's long-term sustainability objectives and irremediably damaged the corporate brand. Now the queen (president), and PC the CEO have to manipulate the public into hating H&M forever, or the whole house of cards will collapse.

The queen is not dedicated to serving you or her country. She is dedicated to saving herself and her business empire. British "subjects" really struggle to accept this.

I think it’s misdirection. I can’t believe the police wouldn’t offer protection whilst they were here for the Jubilee for instance. It feels more like they wants public acknowledgment of their position in the RF. Even though they have walked away they still want the association otherwise they are nothing.
I think when the Queen dies there will be more issues like this arising.

If they want great security why don’t they ask Oprah, I’m sure she has great security.

For the avoidance of incorrect info: the Metropoli Police is not a government department. The Home Office set policy and the police are accountable to them. The Home Office has authority over counter terrorism policing. But The Met is not a government department.

@Roussette

course you do!

Lol
On H&M threads in the past we have had... and I will list them...

Meghan's Nanny
An Aunt who works at Windsor Castle
A sister who works at BP
Someone who knows someone who works for H&M
A friend of Doria

And more...

Funny that no one knows anyone who has a connection to Royals on the Andrew threads isn't it..

How very true!

Sno0wdrop

And Andrew? He is conspicuous by his absence when you are talking about how you think the RF is going to be run

The Queen has spent seventy years serving her country - seventy years!

Fleecing it. 70 years fleecing and nest-feathering.

If H is a "thorn in the side", what's Andrew? A whole rosebush in the face.

They're done. They have more credulous fans than e.g. Boris so it'll take longer for them to fade out, but this is the beginning of the end.

Queen supported Andrew for years after she knew about Epstein. He was at Balmoral.

The BBC or the Windsors' PR team might like your script, though.

Harry has no choice but to be the grandson of the Queen. Until we get rid of the ridiculous institution we need to accept that the family have targets on their back. Harry doubly because…fucking nutters.

If he wants to pay for better security while he is here then we should be fucking bending over backwards to sort it, because if he, his wife or his kids get murdered that’s on us for putting them in this position.

He can never step away from who he is. It’s a fucking cage and some people are pissed off even when he wants to pay to gild it.

There are Andrew threads going. I haven't seen you on there?

I'm not hijacking. I'm comparing one member of the RF with another. Everyone does it.
Sorry. You will have to put up with it.