Prince Andrew Thread 3

[Roussette]

Here is the previous thread...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/4443261-Prince-Andrew-Thread-2?watched=1&msgid=114083283#114083283

I'm just rewatching Emily Maitlis' newsnight interview. Looking at his absolutely ridiculous responses a few years on is very sobering.
He said he was too honourable to end the friendship on the phone so he had to go see him in person.
Pizza express
He doesn't know where the bar is in Tramp nightclub.
He doesn't drink
He doesn't sweat
Pizza express
He can remember what time he was at pizza express on 10th March 2001 but can't remember meeting a girl he was photographed.
The fact that he can't sweat proves that he's not guilty.

I think my favourite line is the sweating one.

The best comedy writers in the land couldn't ha r written this

All this talk of charities reminded me that Prince Charles's good friend (and mentor apparently) - the track suit wearing DJ, raised a fukton of money for charities.

As for Prince Andrew, I don't doubt for a minute that there's more than just VG.

So the RF do not support HIV charities. Harry does

Prince Charles is a former patron of Terence Higgins Trust

www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jul/21/monarchy.bensummerskill

and Sophie Wessex (whose activities on VAWG are rarely reported here) visits and supports projects frequently. Princess Anne does simiiar - often in her role with Save The Children.

Camilla supports charities about arthritis and osteoporosis, which weren't mentioned in the earlier list.

@amusedtodeath1 yes you are right you did say both of them.

@MoggyP Charles took over that from Diana on her death. They couldn't just drop such a high profile connection straight away.

Read the charities they support. There are so many that are basically clubs for the aristocracy hobbies. There are far more of those than charities helping people in real need. It is why Andrew spent his "charity work" touring top golf courses.

THEY RAISE MORE MONEY FOR CHARITY THAN THEY TAKE FROM THE TAX PAYER

Goodness gracious.

AllThePogs
Thanks for the link. Some pretty niche interests there and 72 pages of them

I had a quick look at the charitable patronages returned to the queen in the DoY mess. Golf organisations seemed to come up with some regularity. Wonder how many HRH's are hoping to dodge those

Back to the original thread
news.sky.com/story/andrew-accusers-lawyers-ask-to-interview-uk-witnesses-including-one-who-saw-duke-in-nightclub-with-young-girl-12516282

All this talk of charities reminded me that Prince Charles's good friend (and mentor apparently) - the track suit wearing DJ, raised a fukton of money for charities

I think regular reminders of this will be necessary, V.

Doing the maths on the royals' net gains and contributions will be interesting.

Finding out if Andy's medals were stripped to avoid seizure of the queen's US properties when he can't pay his legal debts will also be interesting. But I'm sure the queen has nothing to worry about, what with the full auditing and regular public disclosure of all offshore and foreign trusts etc...

Perhaps she'll become a patron and funder of the UK-registered charity Transparency International UK. A fine cause for her beloved nation.

It is why Andrew spent his "charity work" touring top golf courses.

I think Edward raised money for the Duke of Edinburgh scheme by playing his hobby of real tennis around the UK.

At least real tennis is with UK. And it's a heritage sport that's always teetering on the edge of dying out

Not like golf - international and awash with money and support.

It is why Andrew spent his "charity work" touring top golf courses

Exactly. I was gobsmacked to see how many Golf courses all over the world, Andrew was patron of. So obviously he had a built in excuse to play golf at the best courses in the world all on the taxpayers ticket. Thank god, he's been stripped of these now.

Also being reported today...

"Prince Andrew's ex-wife Sarah Ferguson will reportedly remain a duchess after he was stripped of his HRH title.

Sarah's friends have reportedly "made it clear" the 62 year old will continue to be known as Sarah, Duchess of York despite her ex-husband Andrew, 61, being stripped of his HRH and military titles.

The Duchess of York, who is said to be "devastated" by Prince Andrew's upcoming trial, has continued to use her title following her divorce from the Queen's son in 1996.

And it has been claimed that Sarah will continue to use her title as her ex-husband awaits civil trial over sexual assault allegations."

What a surprise.
Not.
Given she's brought out about 70 books under the title Sarah, Duchess of York, she would hardly give that up would she...

But she's already not a Duchess, just styled as one.

"Sarah, Duchess of York" means "used to be a Duchess."

I can see why she'd get to keep the title as it was part of her divorce settlement, and hers to use unless she remarries. He was the Duke at the time, she is the Duchess.

If they hadn't divorced, and the Dukedom was removed, then she'd lose the title from that point - a wife is a duchess only if the husband is.

But an ex-wife whose title was granted in the divorce can just carry on

That all makes sense.

I imagine she is beside herself with all of this. Not so much freedom for her either because you can bet your bottom dollar... IF Andrew goes missing and is rarely sighted, the press will turn their attention to her.

What a complete farce this all is. If A (I refuse to call him PA anymore) had handled this differently and better, he might well not be in this position. I don't think it was always going to be like this, I think his arrogance thought the carcrash interview was enough.... i.e. I've made my position clear and that draws a line under it, type of thought process.

I read yesterday that his friends are saying he plans to make a ‘Profumo’ style comeback once the case is over.

Friends of Prince Andrew said yesterday that he still believes he can live a life of ‘public service’ and could even try to reinvent himself ‘Profumo-style’ once his legal woes are concluded

The duke still feels he can make a positive contribution in some way,’ a friend told the Daily Mail

Although the duke will focus on ‘clearing his name’ for the foreseeable future, the source said charity work was ‘something he would like to be able to return to. He worked hard for many dozens of charitable organisations as a member of the Royal Family and believes he has many productive years ahead of him’.

He really does have a problem with awareness and arrogance of gargantuan proportions.

"Friends of Prince Andrew said yesterday that he still believes he can live a life of ‘public service’ and could even try to reinvent himself ‘Profumo-style’ once his legal woes are concluded"

He never learns does he?

Deary me. The playboy politician Profumo who was never really forgiven. I think A needs a history lesson!

@WinnieTheW0rm

I can see why she'd get to keep the title as it was part of her divorce settlement, and hers to use unless she remarries. He was the Duke at the time, she is the Duchess.

If they hadn't divorced, and the Dukedom was removed, then she'd lose the title from that point - a wife is a duchess only if the husband is.

But an ex-wife whose title was granted in the divorce can just carry on

It didn't need to be part of the divorce settlement and I don't think it was. The former wife of a duke is entitled to continue to use the title with her forename prefixed to the title and without the definite article. If she remarried, she would lose the "Duchess of York" style. I'm not sure what happens if Andrew is stripped of his title.

I think A needs a history lesson!

I doubt he'd want to learn, Roussette, either about Profumo or anything else - after all it's his arrogance and entitlement which has caused this mess in the first place, and I see no indication that any of that has changed

Just to add, this is the same principle that meant Diana became Diana, Princess of Wales after her divorce from Charles.

The reference to Profumo sounds like an admission Andrew did shag Virginia Giuffre. Profumo had an affair with an of-age Keeler and initially denied any sexual impropriety. His wife stood by him when his lies unravelled.

Virginia was above the age of consent, Andrew has denied the affair, Ferguson is standing by a man who isn't even hers anymore.

There are similarities, though Andrew's involvement with Epstein does seem a lot grimmer.

Exactly Puzzled

It's what's got him here in the first place no doubt.

In other news... A's lawyers want to quiz VG's psychologist and her husband. They are going for the 'false memories' theory. And they want to quiz her husband on household finances and how he met her.

Where on earth is this going...

VG's team want to quiz his equerry, and the woman who saw him in Tramp nightclub. The equerry's phone number is in JE's book of tel.nos. and they think he will know movements of A to and from Epstein properties.

This is going to be messy

Carla I hadn't looked at it like that, but yes!

I was more thinking of the repairing of a reputation for A. It really didn't happen with Profumo from what I've read. I'm old and I remember it swirling around when I was young... it was a massive story.

Fair point Rose.

What is the role of an equerry? I always think it’s horsey but I know it’s not.

This is an interesting article on the move to take away his titles, and the future of him and the RF

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59916864

Headline... "Ruthless Royals move to limit the damage"