Prince Andrew Thread 3

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Here is the previous thread...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/4443261-Prince-Andrew-Thread-2?watched=1&msgid=114083283#114083283

@Cuck00soup

Do you remember Koo Stark? If he had married her he might not be in this mess. Who knows

I remember all the fuss and the concern that she would bring the monarchy into disrepute. As if.

Yeah that seems laughable now.

@BoarOnTheFloor

I mean really, if he thought he had to see Epstein, why do it in public??

I think the walk was probably Epstein’s idea. There’s an interesting article upthread where the journalist and photographer who took the picture talk about the circumstances.

I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein tipped them off.

I doubt that that would have occurred to him at all.

Still, he didn't think he was doing anything wrong by meeting JE & probably wouldn't have cared about the pic in that respect.

Doesn't the new monarch have to be OK'd by Parliament these days?

Why would you want anything that's been OK'd by that rabble? Bin the lot.

"I remember all the fuss and the concern that she would bring the monarchy into disrepute. As if."

Well yes, they do it well enough by themselves.

Wasn't there fuss about him marrying Fergie as she had a "past"-ie she'd lived with someone!

I mean it was the 80s & she was in her 20s ffs!

Have a feeling that Edward & Sophie might have lived together at Prince Philip's suggestion but not entirely sure about that.

Koo Stark was on the same flight as me many years ago. I remember thinking how beautiful she was .

@BoarOnTheFloor

I mean really, if he thought he had to see Epstein, why do it in public??

I think the walk was probably Epstein’s idea. There’s an interesting article upthread where the journalist and photographer who took the picture talk about the circumstances.

Here's the link: www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/12/how-the-only-known-photo-of-prince-andrew-and-the-pedophile-happened/amp

Fascinating read.

From

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59987935

It's not yet clear if this applies to his constitutional role as a "counsellor of state", one of four royals who can undertake the Queen's official duties, should she be unwell.

That's how close he is to the seat of power in this country. And he's under the sway of foreign criminals.

And why isn't it clear ? Is it because it's baked into "convention" ?

And he's under the sway of foreign criminals

Aren't they all?

@100problems

If Andrew is no longer an HRH given that was a fate of birth as opposed to marrying in, does that impact his daughters in the line of succession and title?

He still has it, he just won’t use it. Similar in some ways to Camilla not using the Princess of Wales titles.

Nothing he does will affect his daughters positions in the succession though. Even if he takes himself out of the line of succession he can’t remove his children.

Nothing he does will affect his daughters positions in the succession though. Even if he takes himself out of the line of succession he can’t remove his children

Correct - they are HRH because they are grandchildren the monarch in the male line. The Wessex DC could also be HRH, but have chosen not to use it (parents' choice whilst minors, own choice thereafter)

You can only quit the succession for yourself, and any children who were not born at the time of quitting (ditto abdication - Edward VIII had no DC at the time, and was making it clear that if any DC were born to his marriage they would never join the succession). One someone is born, the place in the succession is theirs and only they can quit it (and I think only once adult)

Remaining question is whether the Duke of York will be removed as Counsellor of State (the people who can formally stand in firbthe monarch). Normally it's the consort (optional) and the first 4 adults in the succession. At present it's Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. Harry ought to be removed for the duration of residence overseas (not being domiciled in UK is a bar to acting in the role) and as Andrew has effectively been sacked, he should be suspended from the role.

That would mean Beatrice and Eugenie should take up the role, but they are not working royals. For it to be Anne and Edward, it would need parliamentary action. It's a bit of a mess!

Just wait until they cover this in 'the crown' 🙈

One someone is born, the place in the succession is theirs and only they can quit it (and I think only once adult)

Whole empires are based on this shit. How did humans ever get to rule the earth?

Remaining question is whether the Duke of York will be removed as Counsellor of State (the people who can formally stand in firbthe monarch). Normally it's the consort (optional) and the first 4 adults in the succession. At present it's Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. Harry ought to be removed for the duration of residence overseas (not being domiciled in UK is a bar to acting in the role) and as Andrew has effectively been sacked, he should be suspended from the role.

I don't think it'll be a huge issue for it to be Beatrice and Eugenie given some of the people who have done it in the past have been very far from the throne particularly in the 1940's when the Queen and her cousins were all too young.

I think if there's going to be any action to remove Harry because of him living in the US then they had to remove Andrew as well, they couldn't risk anything seeming like a promotion.

all I need now is Boris to resign and my cup will runneth over

@derxa

*I take that as a big, fat YES then 😂

FYI: Prince Philip was well-aware of Mountbatten’s ambitions. He appeared to be a willing participant and honestly, who can blame him? If he never married the future Queen of Britain, he would have been destined to live as a penniless prince supported by the generosity of his affluent family.
At some point, King George VI and his wife, Elizabeth, learned of Mountbatten’s machinations. They were aghast at the prospect of their beloved daughter marrying Philip. According to diarist, Harold Nicolson, they believed Philip was “rough, ill-mannered, uneducated, and would probably not be faithful.”
Although there were apprehensions, Elizabeth was adamant to not let Philip go. Elizabeth’s innocent crush at thirteen manifested into deep desire. The two spent many happy days together and by many accounts, enjoyed each other’s company.

medium.com/lessons-from-history/prince-philip-was-groomed-to-marry-elizabeth-when-she-was-thirteen-4c84e0d679ca

You're welcome.*
But I know all of this already. The Queen adored her husband. What else is there to say.

So do victims of child grooming/exploitation who develop a deep sense of loyalty towards their abuser, which can feel like genuine love and affection.

You can't be for real. You're either Fergie, part of Andy Pandy's (terrible) PR machine or a RF super fan (troll). Either way, not engaging with you again.

@JustLyra

Remaining question is whether the Duke of York will be removed as Counsellor of State (the people who can formally stand in firbthe monarch). Normally it's the consort (optional) and the first 4 adults in the succession. At present it's Charles, William, Harry and Andrew. Harry ought to be removed for the duration of residence overseas (not being domiciled in UK is a bar to acting in the role) and as Andrew has effectively been sacked, he should be suspended from the role.

I don't think it'll be a huge issue for it to be Beatrice and Eugenie given some of the people who have done it in the past have been very far from the throne particularly in the 1940's when the Queen and her cousins were all too young.

I think if there's going to be any action to remove Harry because of him living in the US then they had to remove Andrew as well, they couldn't risk anything seeming like a promotion.

I vote in Tindall and Zara as replacement 😂 I'd love to watch Mike open parliament or something.

York folk rising up now too :
yorkmix.com/strip-prince-andrew-of-his-duke-of-york-title-says-leading-councillor/

I'd love to watch Mike open parliament or something.

I'd rather watch him burn it to the ground tbh.

@GellerYeller blimey he's got people coming for him from all angles but I make them right , no one is going to want to be associated with him.

@100problems you do realise she was forced into this by a letter from members of the armed forces? No backbone at all. She should have acted months ago but she feels she’s above us so she didn’t.

No respect from me.

I can’t help thinking that this has happened today to deflect from the party scandal.it seems that when ever the PM gets into trouble something else happens.

No it happened now because his attempt to get the case thrown out failed.

So do victims of child grooming/exploitation who develop a deep sense of loyalty towards their abuser, which can feel like genuine love and affection.You can't be for real. You're either Fergie, part of Andy Pandy's (terrible) PR machine or a RF super fan (troll). Either way, not engaging with you again Goodness me. I don't think troll hunting is allowed on this site. You got all of this from me saying the Queen loved her husband

VG's tweets this morning. Well done her.

Virginia Giuffre
@VRSVirginia
I’m pleased with Judge Kaplan’s ruling yesterday that allows my case against Prince Andrew to go forward. I’m glad I will have the chance to continue to expose the truth & I am deeply grateful to my extraordinary legal team. 1/3
Their determination helps me seek justice from those who hurt me and so many others. My goal has always been to show that the rich and powerful are not above the law & must be held accountable. 2/3
I do not walk this path alone, but alongside countless other survivors of sexual abuse & trafficking. 3/3

I'm so pleased for her , I hope the case reveals the other rich and powerful men that are involved in this .