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Prince Andrew Thread 2

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Roussette · 03/01/2022 11:34

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

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Mysterian · 04/01/2022 19:02

If andrew gets what he thinks he wants and everything is dropped, what will happen? I assume everybody will still call him the paedo prince and he'll have to go on hiding like he is at the moment. He could take them to court, but as he's doing everything he can to stay out of any court, he won't.

Vapeyvapevape · 04/01/2022 19:10

@Mysterian if the case is dropped, he'll carry on as he is I guess, I'd love to know what friends have dropped him so far.

100problems · 04/01/2022 19:12

Bill's support of the Good Friday Agreement and other Good Saintly Works that have rehabilitated him in the US, plus the only thing possibly worse for her would be to be a divorced woman are the reasons that Hillary hasn't jettisoned her DH I reckon.

100problems · 04/01/2022 19:14

Seems to me that Judge Kaplan was stalling for more time to deliberate before ruling.

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2022 19:18

Members of the Royal Family have been prosecuted before.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, the Queen - as head of state - is not "a member of the Royal family" for the purposes of any legislation. She is The Crown in all and any references in law.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity#United_Kingdom

Which isn't great news for Prince Andrew. Unless some terrible accident befalls the I-can't-be-bothered-to-count people ahead of him in the line of succession.

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Roussette · 04/01/2022 19:23

Yes prh... I was only repeating a previous post, and trying to analyse it.
Not well, I admit Grin

All the american press are hinting that it will proceed. Who knows

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Newyearoldyou · 04/01/2022 19:28

I have can't believe this important thread has been tucked away in the Royal corner Grin

I've been at work, at various times trying to search for it!

prh47bridge · 04/01/2022 19:29

@WhatWouldKalindaDo

A question for the legally experienced on here.....

If Judge Kaplan rules that the civil case can proceed, is Andrew obligated to attend the trial to give evidence or can a lawyer do that on his behalf? (Or via video link given that we are in Covid times).

I'm wondering whether he will be forced to answer questions in person, or if he will be allowed to continue hiding in his mum's properties and let others answer for him?

If this case were being heard in the UK, he would not be forced to appear in court. He would have to mount some kind of defence, but he could rely entirely on other witnesses. He could even submit a witness statement but refuse to be cross-examined on it, although that would reduce the weight given to that statement.

Giuffre's lawyers have suggested he could be forced to face cross-examination in this case so it is possible US law (or NY law) is different in this respect, but I would find that surprising.

Having said that, if the case proceeds, I would expect Andrew to give evidence and face cross-examination.

LakieLady · 04/01/2022 19:31

@sammylady37

I do like the idea of Andrew being banished to a foreign country. He’s been an embarrassment for years. He should settle with VR to avoid an embarrassing trial for his family and then bugger off

He should fuck off overseas…

Why should any foreign country have to be inflicted with him? He’s a product of Britain and the British establishment and, to a degree, the British people. They shouldn’t get to impose him on a foreign country just because they’re sick of him. That’s a really horribly dismissive attitude towards foreign countries.

Fair point.

Is there some grim and remote island that's part of the UK where he could be holed up, like Napoleon on St Helena?

Maybe one of the smaller Falkland islands would be appropriate.

StormzyinaTCup · 04/01/2022 19:32

Prh47bridge from reading various legal commentary and opinions (inc your good self) on this document it seems very 50/50 which I would imagine makes it a difficult call for the Judge. I hope the Judge keeps a cool and level head and doesn’t go a bit ‘giddy’ about how high profile a case this could be should he allow it to continue.

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Roussette · 04/01/2022 19:34

@Newyearoldyou

I have can't believe this important thread has been tucked away in the Royal corner

Oh how weird.
MNHQ must've moved it.
I posted it in AIBU originally

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100problems · 04/01/2022 19:37

All the american press are hinting that it will proceed. Who knows

Might depend how many are controlled by News Corp...

100problems · 04/01/2022 19:39

I'd rather PA stayed right where the British know where he is with a pension dependent on a gag order on him saying anything publicly for, let's say given that SA, to the end of the world.

CurzonDax · 04/01/2022 19:42

[quote Roussette]@Newyearoldyou

I have can't believe this important thread has been tucked away in the Royal corner

Oh how weird.
MNHQ must've moved it.
I posted it in AIBU originally[/quote]
Oh wow - I never noticed that either - I just came here from my notifications.

I never even knew MN had a section dedicated to the RF until now!

CaveMum · 04/01/2022 19:45

@LakieLady South Georgia or Ascension Island would probably best fit the bill Wink

prh47bridge · 04/01/2022 19:46

@StormzyinaTCup

Prh47bridge from reading various legal commentary and opinions (inc your good self) on this document it seems very 50/50 which I would imagine makes it a difficult call for the Judge. I hope the Judge keeps a cool and level head and doesn’t go a bit ‘giddy’ about how high profile a case this could be should he allow it to continue.
This judge has been involved in high profile cases before. However, judges are human. They don't always get things right or make decisions for the right reasons.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2022 19:46

If the case proceeds, I would expect Andrew to give evidence and face cross-examination

I totally respect that you know a lot more than most us about the law, prh47bridge, but while you may "expect" this, do you honestly think it would happen?

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Roussette · 04/01/2022 19:49

South Georgia or Ascension Island would probably best fit the bill

Tristan da Cunha. British island. The most remote inhabited island in the world. Only reachable by boat.
(I've actually been there)
247 british inhabitants.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2022 19:50

judges are human. They don't always get things right or make decisions for the right reasons

That makes perfect sense to me, so while I'm asking questions here's another: If Judge Kaplan does say the case can go ahead, could that decision be appealed?

It's just that I've got visions of this dragging on until hell freezes over ...

WhatWouldKalindaDo · 04/01/2022 19:53

prh47bridge

*If this case were being heard in the UK, he would not be forced to appear in court. He would have to mount some kind of defence, but he could rely entirely on other witnesses. He could even submit a witness statement but refuse to be cross-examined on it, although that would reduce the weight given to that statement.

Giuffre's lawyers have suggested he could be forced to face cross-examination in this case so it is possible US law (or NY law) is different in this respect, but I would find that surprising.

Having said that, if the case proceeds, I would expect Andrew to give evidence and face cross-examination*

Thanks for your response Smile

Malariahilaria · 04/01/2022 19:53

Some forward thinking pp did ask the question earlier but I didn't see an answer 'could the judge be swayed by political or diplomatic intervention'? Does Biden care about the 'special relationship' enough? Or are they all focussed on the war about to start with Russia and don't care?

CaveMum · 04/01/2022 19:56

Rousette DH has been to Ascension (and the Falklands, ex-RAF) and says it’s actually quite nice. It is just a rock in the middle of the Atlantic but the diving is very good and he enjoyed watching the turtles coming ashore to lay their eggs.

Fun fact, he tells me it used to be the “back-up, back-up” runway for the Space Shuttle if anything ever went wrong with the other two as it’s the only other runway that was long enough to land it on!

StormzyinaTCup · 04/01/2022 19:57

It's just that I've got visions of this dragging on until hell freezes over ...

Well, if that’s the intended plan of action then someone needs to remind PA that the person footing his legal bill is 95 years old Wink

prh47bridge · 04/01/2022 19:57

@Puzzledandpissedoff

If the case proceeds, I would expect Andrew to give evidence and face cross-examination

I totally respect that you know a lot more than most us about the law, prh47bridge, but while you may "expect" this, do you honestly think it would happen?

I may be wrong, but I think it will. A refusal to testify would almost certainly fatally undermine his defence. If he goes down that route he might as well give up. It would also not sit well with his previous statements. He may well give evidence by video link from the UK if the judge will allow it, but I would be surprised if he doesn't give evidence at all.
GoatInCaptivity · 04/01/2022 19:58

@Roussette

South Georgia or Ascension Island would probably best fit the bill

Tristan da Cunha. British island. The most remote inhabited island in the world. Only reachable by boat.
(I've actually been there)
247 british inhabitants.

I wouldn't inflict PA on anybody other his own family.

I'm sure Anne can find a position for him mucking out her stables, confined to a tiny cottage on the Gatcombe estate and giving him a few choice cutting words when he whinges about his fate.