Prince Charles environmentalist flew to Scotland

[RoyalFamilyFan]

Camilla and Charles flew by private jet to Scotland for New Year. This was a private trip. Why couldn't they get the train?
So much for him supposedly being an environmentalist.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-camilla-spotted-driving-25818819

Chris Packham Absolute hypocrite with his world wide wild life cruises and tours.

But he is right about the terrible impact of grouse moors in Britain and that rewilding would be an easy way for the RF to improve our environment.

@RoyalFamilyFan

But he is right about the terrible impact of grouse moors in Britain and that rewilding would be an easy way for the RF to improve our environment.

I'm no fan of grouse moors but this rewilding business is a can of worms. Are you a fan of big companies buying Welsh farms, planting non native trees and setting up a forestry business. People are very keen on dictating to others what they should do with their land. Re a pp's definition of rewilding and 'aurochs' We've got 'aurochs' already. We've got beef cows.

derxa there are different definitions of rewilding, but none of them include mass planting of non native conifers- I assume as part of shonky carbon offsetting schemes.

You will also note above that I mentioned that most concepts of rewilding involve large herbivores? Have you read “Wilding” by Isabella Tree?

In fact, derxa, re reading my post it’s clear you didn’t read it properly 🙄

17% of UK land is take up by grouse moors. They are terrible environmentally. UK invertebrate numbers are currently in freefall.

You will also note above that I mentioned that most concepts of rewilding involve large herbivores? Have you read “Wilding” by Isabella Tree?
Yes that massive estate run by an aristocrat. They still have many acres devoted to arable agriculture. Good for them. We need to feed the country

www.mywelshpool.co.uk/viewernews/ArticleId/21200

@derxa that is not rewilding and has been happening in Scotland for years. And the RF invested in those Scottish schemes.
If you want to claim the mantle of environmentalist then you have to do a bit more than run a hobby car on wine and have a nice garden.
I do not expect them to be perfect, but Charles and William are way worse in their action environmentally than the average person. Way worse.

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@derxa that is not rewilding and has been happening in Scotland for years. And the RF invested in those Scottish schemes.
If you want to claim the mantle of environmentalist then you have to do a bit more than run a hobby car on wine and have a nice garden.
I do not expect them to be perfect, but Charles and William are way worse in their action environmentally than the average person. Way worse.[/quote]
No it's greenwashing.
This is a horrific attempt at rewilding.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/27/dutch-rewilding-experiment-backfires-as-thousands-of-animals-starve

@derxa that was because they allowed the population of large herbivores to get too big.

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@derxa that was because they allowed the population of large herbivores to get too big.[/quote]
People hate animal agriculture because the animal is usually killed in the end but allowing animals to starve to death is unfathomable to any decent farmer. Having said that, nature is red in tooth and claw.

But in the true wild large herbivores would have predators. If they cant be reintroduced, then you have to manage animal populations. That does not mean rewilding cant happen, you just have to be realistic about it.

@RoyalFamilyFan

But in the true wild large herbivores would have predators. If they cant be reintroduced, then you have to manage animal populations. That does not mean rewilding cant happen, you just have to be realistic about it.

I still don't know what rewilding is.

@derxa having a more natural wild environment that encouráges and supports native wildlife and plants.

we need to feed the country

Well, if you’re sincere about that, then the first thing we need to do is to stop raising meat, as it is a relatively inefficient way of producing calories for the amount of land and other resources used.

Also, perhaps if you’d read my original post properly, you’d have the beginnings of an idea of what rewilding entails?

Unless you’re being deliberately disingenuous, that is…🙄

@crackofdoom

we need to feed the country

Well, if you’re sincere about that, then the first thing we need to do is to stop raising meat, as it is a relatively inefficient way of producing calories for the amount of land and other resources used.

Also, perhaps if you’d read my original post properly, you’d have the beginnings of an idea of what rewilding entails?

Unless you’re being deliberately disingenuous, that is…🙄

Tell me what we should grow and how we should grow it. How do we fertilise the land?

Government policy for decades has been to rely on foreign imports. The amount of food we produce in the UK keeps going down.
And it really is not an issue in terms of the RF land. We are talking about grouse moors which do nothing but create good hunting grounds for rich people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10374283/Anger-rewilding-plan-hand-millions-farmers-plant-trees.html
Government policy for decades has been to rely on foreign imports. The amount of food we produce in the UK keeps going down. You talk as if that's a good thing. Actually Boris J's govt has been influenced by Carrie, Stanley Johnson and Zac Goldsmith and has been the worst in living memory for farmers in England at any rate. Scotland have their own policies.
They can 'rewild' grouse moors as much as they like. I wouldn't know where to start and I'm betting most people on here wouldn't either.

@derxa No it is not a good thing, but shows no sign of changing.
Grouse moors are artificially created environments. There is heather burning, predator control, disease management using medicated grit, and tracks for improved access. Have you ever hiked through a grouse moor and saw the charred remains after the annual burning? I have. It is not a natural environment.