The Star Claim Kate is Seething with Jealousy over Meghan

[julieca]

I totally missed this. The Star newspaper claimed that Kate is seething with jealousy that Meghan no longer has to abide by Royal protocols and can live her life as she wants.

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My personal take is that this is probably over-egged, which trashy tabloids ten to do. But I can imagine her at times feeling a bit jealous of Meghan's freedoms. Surely that would just be natural as she has to follow yet another Royal protocol, and yet sees Meghan doing what she wants to do?

Lots of fashion threads about Kate. The most common comments being made hat she dresses in a way that's very boring and ageing. Catherine rarely does anything that's not planned behind the scene so it's hard to criticise her actions - she doesn't have the authority and I'd guess that she doesn't want to "go rogue" either as she seems to accept that she's in a support role within the monarchy.
With William I've seen criticism about the hypocrisy of lecturing people about air travel but travelling for leisure himself. Also people thinking that he should have gone against his father and grandmother and acted unilaterally on stuff like press treatment of Meghan. Like Catherine I think he generally does as he's told by the 2 people above him in the change of command and the environment lectures are the little public leeway that he's allowed.

[quote julieca]@luverlybubberly yes we are allowed to say we don't like a Christmas card and why, but we can't say anything negative about Kate and William themselves. People can say what they want about Harry and Meghan here though and it has to be pretty vile to get zapped.
I don't actually care if this board was just a love-in with the RF, its the disparity that gets me.[/quote]
The number of Sussex vs Cambridge threads are wildly different because the "never complain" mantra of the latter means that there's less to talk about. I'm not saying that the Sussexes should also follow that mantra but the more they say or do, the more there is to speculate about and analyse. People aren't interested in the Cambridges in the same way as there's little to say about people who are generally told what to do and say by people behind the scenes and above them in the hierarchy

In the case of the Cambridges, it's quite easy to predict when we might hear about them next. For example we know that Kate's carol service will be broadcast on Christmas Eve and we might get a birthday portrait of Catherine as she will turn 40 in early Jan.

With the Sussexes, people have no clue what they may do next. They have surprised everyone since leaving the RF that they could appear in a random place like I'm a Celebrity .. and that would their new normal.

Yes, I assume Kate has little say over what she wears. The Palace does dress her very old fashioned and conservatively.
There does seem to be more attempts recently to dress her in things more appropriate for her age. At the beginning, she was being dressed in dresses my gran would have worn. It was ridiculous.
I think it's a shame that there is no attempt to promote British designers. I think that is something Diana did very well.

We dont hear anything on hear about the cash for honours allegations. That is pretty big news.

The number of Sussex vs Cambridge threads are wildly different because the "never complain" mantra of the latter means that there's less to talk about. I'm not saying that the Sussexes should also follow that mantra but the more they say or do, the more there is to speculate about and analyse. People aren't interested in the Cambridges in the same way as there's little to say about people who are generally told what to do and say by people behind the scenes and above them in the hierarchy

You seem to forget that the Sussexes were being discussed in a negative light while they were still in the RF. Lots of misinformation and lies were put out about them, and they could not say anything.

Even after they left, they had the one Oprah interview, which was blown up even months after. Harry talked about his mental health on podcast, William is doing the same. When Harry says he is reminded of Diana much is made of it, even though William said the same about Kate.

Most of what the Sussexes say or do is about their work and causes, but much is made of it - and a negative spin is put on it.

Look how they appear in a show, it's suddenly regarded as 'tacky', yet the Cambridges started a YouTube channel ffs.

@rubicscubicle

What's there not to understand : Kate allowed the rumour that she made Meghan cry go on without correcting it. We had the likes of Carole Malone shouting it on telly that Meghan , 'this woman made the future queen cry'. People had a negative view of Meghan because of this.

Later when Meghan corrects the story, we are told, 'maybe they both cried'. No one ever said 'oh maybe, Kate also made Meghan cry' when it was the other way round.
Instead we are supposed to believe that KM cried and was hurt so much that she sent MM flowers?

So, you actually know Meghan version was right and Kate's wrong? How exactly do you know this?

What about the rumour that Meghan made one of her wedding dress fitters cry?

We are still going on about this disproved rumour about Meghan?

Disproved by whom? Herslef?

This 'rumour'.... where are the facts?

@julieca

We are still going on about this disproved rumour about Meghan?

"Disproved"? Possibly "unproved" but I can't see how it can be disproved. And I'd still like to know how you are so sure which woman was telling the truth here. It seems accepted that there was a spat - and somebody ended up in tears.

Unless Kate has admitted it was a lie??

I think Catherine has ensured she has a set up she likes and William supports this.

She makes loyal friends, has a very supportive family and we don't actually see that much of her.

Its not a life I'd want but she seems happy. William is bloody lucky to have her.

@Peaseblossum22

Kate adheres to Prince Philip’s mantra of never talking about yourself. Always talk about your work and others work. So when she speaks at an event she knows that her job is to highlight the role of the charity/cause hosting the event, not to highlight herself . She needs to be a blank canvas into which people can hook their cause, the more she speaks about herself the less effective she can be in that role. To coin Michelle Obama’s phrase that is the difference between ‘service’ and ‘public service’

Yes exactly.

@julieca

We dont hear anything on hear about the cash for honours allegations. That is pretty big news.

Are people other than Prince Charles involved? While I don't see negative posts about him, I rarely see positive ones either

@julieca

Yes, I assume Kate has little say over what she wears. The Palace does dress her very old fashioned and conservatively. There does seem to be more attempts recently to dress her in things more appropriate for her age. At the beginning, she was being dressed in dresses my gran would have worn. It was ridiculous. I think it's a shame that there is no attempt to promote British designers. I think that is something Diana did very well.

In Kate's case, her fashion choices seemed to have peaked with her wedding dress. Apart from the Gold 007 dress I've not seen any positive coverage about her fashion.

I agree that she probably has little control and couldn't go for a radical hairstyle like Princess Charlene for instance

@rubicscubicle

The number of Sussex vs Cambridge threads are wildly different because the "never complain" mantra of the latter means that there's less to talk about. I'm not saying that the Sussexes should also follow that mantra but the more they say or do, the more there is to speculate about and analyse. People aren't interested in the Cambridges in the same way as there's little to say about people who are generally told what to do and say by people behind the scenes and above them in the hierarchy

You seem to forget that the Sussexes were being discussed in a negative light while they were still in the RF. Lots of misinformation and lies were put out about them, and they could not say anything.

Even after they left, they had the one Oprah interview, which was blown up even months after. Harry talked about his mental health on podcast, William is doing the same. When Harry says he is reminded of Diana much is made of it, even though William said the same about Kate.

Most of what the Sussexes say or do is about their work and causes, but much is made of it - and a negative spin is put on it.

Look how they appear in a show, it's suddenly regarded as 'tacky', yet the Cambridges started a YouTube channel ffs.

The negative spin depends on what you read. UK columnists generally go for the negative spin as that may be what their readers want but if you are read foreign sources (and it doesn't haven't to be black writers) then the verdict on stuff like the Ellen show appearance is more neutral/balanced.

I don't know if I run in unusual circles but pre-Oprah, while the papers were publishing rumours I found that people in real life didn't share the opinions of papers like the Mail and had no opinion on any royal news because it doesn't interest them.

Kate hasn't commented on the dress fitting story and will probably never comment so it will be a story that can never be proven or disproven.

@luverlybubberly

Kate hasn't commented on the dress fitting story and will probably never comment so it will be a story that can never be proven or disproven.

That is nice and convenient isn't it.

Didn't the palace just insert themselves by saying something about newborn baby Lili?
And recently a formal statement from Clarence House regarding Harry's finances. Then there is the dodgy Middle Eastern rich man that Charles apparently expected Harry to brief him about.

All those were formal statements, and comments.

As for KM and William, they did get Tatler to remove a few things during the Catherine the Great fiasco.

So not exactly gagged and bound, the RF, are they?

I don't know if I run in unusual circles but pre-Oprah, while the papers were publishing rumours I found that people in real life didn't share the opinions of papers like the Mail and had no opinion on any royal news because it doesn't interest them.

Yes different in real life. not so much on Mumsnet.

@Roussette

This 'rumour'.... where are the facts?

A rumour indeed.

Not sure why people are believing faceless, nameless 'sources'. At least Meghan put her name and face on what she was saying. So I will believe the other version when someone actually puts a face and name too.

Laughing at the fact that Philip was a soul of discretion. Apart from his racist and sexist "jokes" of course. I think we got a pretty good idea of what Philip was like.

No one said he was the soul of discretion justvtgat he didn’t talk about himself . And that’s true , he made lots of gaffes but he very rarely talked about himself

I thought that in the Oprah interview mom-of-two Meghan said, "We both cried", referring to herself and mom-of-three Kate. I wondered if they both cried but at different times. Didn't Meghan say that Catherine sent her flowers? Maybe I misunderstood. I always thought that what Meghan said left enough vague leeway for Kate to have cried at the fitting and Meghan to have cried later on, when the flowers arrived. Well, that's a digression.

It occurs to me that mom-of-two Meghan and mom-of-three Kate are the daughters-in-law of the late blonde divorcee Diana. (I'm taking the mickey out of the types of things reporters say.)

Very stressed bride to be, post partum mum, bored small child. Let's face it that bridesmaid fitting was never going to end well!

Racism and sexism is not gaffes.