BBC The Princes and the Press

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Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

Sorry below I was referring to the Tiara-gate story.

@,bakingdemon
I don't care how many you know in the Army.
It's rude

It's strange to assume that every man in the Army wants to make it to the 'top'. They don't. Perhaps Harry was happy with the role he had. He left because his location was made known through the Press and so the other men were at risk because of it. He was very angry about it and maybe that's partly why he hates the Press. I don't think it was the British Press.

My point was that Meghan's treatment by the press was awful but entirely in keeping with the way the Duchess of Cambridge and Harry's ex girlfriends were treated.
Except on top of it Meghan also had racial abuse thrown at her and her family.

@PreparationPreparationPrep

My point was that Meghan's treatment by the press was awful but entirely in keeping with the way the Duchess of Cambridge and Harry's ex girlfriends were treated. Except on top of it Meghan also had racial abuse thrown at her and her family.

This is entirely true Preparation.The nastiness thrown at MM re race was disgraceful and I do ot know why people like to deny that.

I do not know/understand why we accept that the women should be treated like this by the tabloids who are written and run by a vicious lot. I have lived in many countries but have never seen any like the UK.

@TheElvishQueen iirc, it was the Australian media which revealed that he was in Afghanistan. The British press all knew but respected the D Notice put out by the MoD which asked them not to report it

I thought it was weird that on one hand they are saying 'the press turned and all the lazy Cambridge stories emerged' but 'negative stories are always the results of briefing by insiders with full knowledge of their principals' when it's the Sussexes.

Also noted the 'Blair' swerve by the lawyer - no-one ever said all staff found the environment bad enough to leave, so the denial was of something different to the actual allegation. And isn't it still under at least sone level of investigation?

[quote bakingdemon]@TheElvishQueen iirc, it was the Australian media which revealed that he was in Afghanistan. The British press all knew but respected the D Notice put out by the MoD which asked them not to report it [/quote]
Yes, that’s what I remember too.

@EdithWeston

I thought it was weird that on one hand they are saying 'the press turned and all the lazy Cambridge stories emerged' but 'negative stories are always the results of briefing by insiders with full knowledge of their principals' when it's the Sussexes.

Also noted the 'Blair' swerve by the lawyer - no-one ever said all staff found the environment bad enough to leave, so the denial was of something different to the actual allegation. And isn't it still under at least sone level of investigation?

Could it be they are stating it as it happened. They are blaming Kate turning away from cameras for the change in narrative. I assume that Meghan did not do anything, so what are they going to save made them say negative things about her.

Thee allegations are 'under investigation' internally, not in a court. What is strange is that it takes a year to hear results - presumably to keep the narrative going, don't want to absolve her too quickly.

The lawyer is telling the truth, all those people that left, the press said, another one is leaving because of Meghan is a bad boss.
here she says it.
twitter.com/ArchLiliHazMeg/status/1462907104377937931

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Royal coverage & gossip is overwhelmingly created for and consumed by women who are interested in those things. Women create the demand for this stuff so the media satisfy that demand and monetise the clicks.

I noticed the interviewer and interviewee were practically smirking when relaying this story. Almost as a joke.

Could it be because they both know it was mischief to change the story, and it caused quite a furore.

Could it be they are stating it as it happened. They are blaming Kate turning away from cameras for the change in narrative. I assume that Meghan did not do anything, so what are they going to save made them say negative things about her.

But they did say that H&M made it clear they wouldn’t be giving the media the kind of access they were used to, didn’t introduce Meghan to them etc. If they can decide to change a narrative and “punish” W&K based on Kate’s hair I’m assuming that H&M not really talking to them would have them seething.

Which isn’t me saying H&M did anything wrong, just like Kate didn’t with whatever hair nonsense they were on about. But if they happily admit that something so ridiculous was enough to anger them, I’m sure they could come up with some equally dreadful slight from H&M to “justify” a change in narrative. Not meeting journalists at the engagement announcement seemed to annoy them.

I honestly think there is far more to this than meets the eye.

What are they trying to cover up? Public statements about now banning the BBC from a concert because of this documentary.
One thing I know... I'm not missing episode 2 !

If they'd just left it, this programme might've just sunk into obliviion but not now.

'I honestly think there is far more to this than meets the eye.What are they trying to cover up? '

Maybe they are just leading by example. This kind of media gossip focusing on what should be private family relationships is not ok. The BBC is subjecting them all (including Harry) to unfair scrutiny which as we all know is unacceptable.

It would seem ironic that the BBC is handwringing about media gossip, by gossiping with the media.

Where are they leading by example?

@Roussette

I honestly think there is far more to this than meets the eye. What are they trying to cover up? Public statements about now banning the BBC from a concert because of this documentary. One thing I know... I'm not missing episode 2 !

If they'd just left it, this programme might've just sunk into obliviion but not now.

Its a bit like the time they panicked when the Oprah interview was about to come out, and all these bombs fell. They seem to be anticipating some truths to come out.

Royal documentaries come out all the time, and they never say anything.

@Roussette

Where are they leading by example?

Erm, well as you just said the concert may be on ITV so they're showing the BBC that gossiping isn't ok. Boycotting the BBC, leading by example..

'it was the Australian media which revealed that he was in Afghanistan. The British press all knew but respected the D Notice put out by the MoD which asked them not to report it'

Yes it's always the evil British Press when as we know they did respect the MoD's request but the global media broke it.

H really needs someone to explain this to him. Also, it wasn't royal reporters or the BBC chasing his dm in Paris rather the unregulated and feral paparazzi. Not that he'd listen, far easier to blame the BP. It fuels his victim status.

The documentary is billed as the two brothers are briefing against each other. Now, I have seen all sorts of negative stories about Harry, but I wonder what he could have briefed about regarding William. Maybe we will see in episode 2, I would like to hear that.

"They can deny it all they like until they're blue in the face, but there's been an awful lot of leaking particularly from Kensington Palace," Robert Jobson

They also said the workers brief with the approval of the principals.

Erm, well as you just said the concert may be on ITV so they're showing the BBC that gossiping isn't ok. Boycotting the BBC, leading by example..

Strange because they did not boycott anyone when Meghan was under attack. Months, well years actually.
So, not not leading by example, more like leading by selfishness.

As for Harry, he is blaming the British press for creating the hysteria in the first place.

You call it 'gossiping' Janiie, well you would, wouldn't you 😂

I call it lifting the lid in what goes on with the all too powerful media and reporters in this country and what part the RF may have played in that.

Interestingly, the episode is up on YouTube for all those not in this country. But apparently, it will be pulled soon, probably because of pressure from the RF, like they did with the anodyne 1967 documentary about their lives.

@AgedVellum

I only caught the very end of this, but was wondering what the point of the Sussexes' lawyer's presence was. I suppose that in itself that she appeared with their agreement was a statement of some kind, but in the bit I saw all she did was issue flat denials to questions about whether MM bullied her staff.

I couldn't see the point in this denial either.

How did the lawyer know this? Because H& M told her. Just like lawyers always take instruction from their clients. Says nothing about the truth or falsehood of the statement

I thought it was weird that on one hand they are saying 'the press turned and all the lazy Cambridge stories emerged' but 'negative stories are always the results of briefing by insiders with full knowledge of their principals' when it's the Sussexes.

Lazy will stories started as far back as early 2016. Long before Meghan was introduced to the family

How did the lawyer know this? Because H& M told her. Just like lawyers always take instruction from their clients. Says nothing about the truth or falsehood of the statement

None of the reporters were there either, so they don't know what took place either. The lawyer came in for balance.

Could it be they are stating it as it happened

Since this is the media we're talking about, it would be a novelty if they did - just as it would be for many of the RF to "lead by example"
The "more going on than we know about" is a given, but it does seem a bit rich when the palaces expect to feed the media their story but throw a strop if they fail to bend the knee when it suits

It's true that the "investigations" seem to be taking ages - not that I'd expect a truthful account at the end of it - but then perhaps they're not getting enough answers, whether from Meghan or anyone else?

Why do you think they would say this then, and why not the real reason if you think this is false. Harry has always shown his feelings for the media and has been consistent about it. The Meghan stories were up and down.

It was reported that Meghan wanted to see the files for the accusations. In the meantime, the 'victims' wanted nothing to do with the case. So are they trying to plead with them to come forward or something? Seems like a long time and a lot of prodding if that is the case.