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The royal family

BBC The Princes and the Press

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coniferforest · 23/11/2021 09:24

Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

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Viviennemary · 03/12/2021 21:23

There's a fair few die hard supporters too. One or two neutral folk I think as well.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 03/12/2021 21:26

[quote rubicscubicle]twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1369213005859291139[/quote]
I'm pleased you found this @rubicscubicle as I remember it clearly - I'm surprised others are denying it as it was discussed in depth at the time.

upinaballoon · 03/12/2021 21:26

Now I'm going to have to look for the Monty Python Spam sketch on You Tube.

Nishkin · 03/12/2021 21:32

@upinaballoon 😄

prh47bridge · 03/12/2021 21:32

@Viviennemary

A Downing Street spokesman has given a comment on the verdict. They seemed to disspprove and supported the freedom of the pressHmm. Pretty bad she wasn't admonished for lying in her statement. Disgraceful in fact. Id say this was far from over.
Disagree with that interpretation of their comments. In any event, they have clearly failed to understand the judgement. The court was clear that it was open to the Mail to report on the letter and reproduce a small portion of it. The problem was reproducing nearly half of it in an article that clearly wasn't about what the Mail tried to claim in court. Whatever the Mail thinks, this was not in any way an attack on the freedom of the press. This was a perfectly ordinary judgement balancing the rights of the press to freedom of speech against the individual's right to privacy. It follows the approach taken by the European Court of Human Rights, whose judgements are binding on us.

We heard similar whinging from sections of the press when Cliff Richard won his case against the BBC. The issue, as usual, is that journalists wanting to sell papers have lost sight of the difference between things that are in the public interest and things that are interesting to the public.

It is not in any way bad that she wasn't "admonished for lying", particularly since there is no proof that it was a lie rather than a lapse of memory, since it concerned a single exchange with Knauf. The courts don't generally admonish witnesses for lying, even when it is clear they are doing so. See, for example, Bates & Others v Post Office Ltd where one of the Post Office witnesses, Angela van den Bogerd, gave evidence that was clearly untrue, leading the judge to comment that he would only accept her evidence if it was "clearly and uncontrovertibly corroborated by contemporaneous documents". He did not admonish her at all.

It may not be over. The Mail may take it to the Supreme Court and even to the ECHR if it wishes. I would be gobsmacked if either court supported the Mail.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 03/12/2021 21:42

As a survivor of physical abuse, emotional abuse, and neglect during most of my childhood (basically someone who could contribute a lot to the Stately Home threads), I'm not understanding your point.

I've posted evidence that, at least from Meghan's perspective, Thomas Markle was a loving, supportive father. Can you clarify?

@BringBackThinEyebrows Not to dismiss your experience but their are plenty of survivors of abuse on MN who can also understand that just because your father was once a loving father doesn't mean he can't change and later abuse you- again there are also plenty of abusers who get away with what they do because their abuser will
Not speak out but though shame pretend everything is "normal". So I'm
Not saying Meghan was in the latter category but his recent behaviour towards her has been abusive. Do you remember the comment "daddy needs the money now " or words to that affect on one of his interviews.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 21:47

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Wow. That was very dismissive actually. No idea where you got the impression that my father was ever a loving father(!) But this thread isn't about me, and my post was not requesting a response from you.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 21:48

Thomas Markle was a loving, supportive father. Can you clarify?

Yes. I can clarify.

A photo posted like this does not prove he is a loving supportive father.
Only the parties involved know.

Samcro · 03/12/2021 21:53

I have been lurking on this thread, not posting as I didn't watch the program.
But now it has gone full circle and back to how badly M treated poor old daddy. I can post.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. TM and his kids have gone out of their way to rubbish M. Who would keep in contact with people like that, who wouldn't double check every text, letter call you make, knowing these people will sell to the highest bidder.

Also I have been on mn for a very long time, there has been lots of. People who have said they are doctors, laywers, work for the rf even, often it turns out to be un true.

minou123 · 03/12/2021 21:58

@Viviennemary

A Downing Street spokesman has given a comment on the verdict. They seemed to disspprove and supported the freedom of the pressHmm. Pretty bad she wasn't admonished for lying in her statement. Disgraceful in fact. Id say this was far from over.
According to the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail wrote that story.

I've just spoken to the Downing Street Spokesman and they told me the Daily Mail are full of shit and they never said that.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 22:03

Exactly @Samcro!

PreparationPreparationPrep · 03/12/2021 22:06

[quote BringBackThinEyebrows]@PreparationPreparationPrep

Wow. That was very dismissive actually. No idea where you got the impression that my father was ever a loving father(!) But this thread isn't about me, and my post was not requesting a response from you.[/quote]
Not your - as in your father- I should have wrote a father

AnnunciataZ · 03/12/2021 22:09

I've just spoken to the Downing Street Spokesman and they told me the Daily Mail are full of shit and they never said that.

😆😆

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 22:10

@Roussette

Thomas Markle was a loving, supportive father. Can you clarify?

Yes. I can clarify.

A photo posted like this does not prove he is a loving supportive father.
Only the parties involved know.

My post actually said, "I've posted evidence that, at least from Meghan's perspective, Thomas Markle was a loving, supportive father. Can you clarify?"

Meghan definitely thought so, providing examples of how he supported her and made sure she felt loved. She stated that she never saw him angry. To my knowledge, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Thomas Markle was abusive to Meghan when he raised her, or during her adult life pre-Harry. Given the various loving articles, interviews etc. from Meghan I would be shocked and devastated if it turned out to be true.

Posters are claiming that he abuses her after they've gone no contact as adults.

Why would I post this info in a Stately Home thread?

Roussette · 03/12/2021 22:16

I am sure you would not accept a person saying that a father was loving at some point in their life, then saying not, would not disagree with that

He has sold her out time and time again, but if you wish to support him in that, it's your prerogative.

Samcro · 03/12/2021 22:17

Often you don't realise how dysfunctional a relationship is until you have children yourself

Roussette · 03/12/2021 22:21

Oh yes. Truly, that is so right @Samcro.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 22:29

@Roussette

I am sure you would not accept a person saying that a father was loving at some point in their life, then saying not, would not disagree with that

He has sold her out time and time again, but if you wish to support him in that, it's your prerogative.

I don't support Thomas Markle. I find him a bit pathetic. I just queried the abuse allegations made on here because I think accusations of serious harm by public figures should be backed up.

If you're saying that people can change and become abusive then yeah, I agree. If you're saying that Meghan is now claiming she had an abusive upbringing then I haven't seen any information about that. As mentioned, there's plenty to suggest that he was a loving and supportive father to her.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 22:30

I have not used the word 'abuse' or 'abusive' in any of my posts.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 22:34

@Roussette

I have not used the word 'abuse' or 'abusive' in any of my posts.
"I am sure you would not accept a person saying that a father was loving at some point in their life, then saying not, would not disagree with that"

Your paragraph above could have been clearer. I was trying to cover all bases in my response because I didn't understand it.

You brought up the Stately Home threads (support threads for abusive survivors), so even if you didn't mention it specifically you did talk around it.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 22:42

*abuse survivors

Not abusive survivors

Roussette · 03/12/2021 22:53

The stately homes thread is for all posters who struggle with their parental relationship. Not just typified as 'abuse'
That's what I understand it as anyway

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 23:25

@Roussette

The stately homes thread is for all posters who struggle with their parental relationship. Not just typified as 'abuse' That's what I understand it as anyway
It's quite clear. From the opening post of each Stately Home thread:

"This thread has become a safe haven for Adult children of abusive families.

The title refers to an original poster's family who claimed they could not have been abusive as they had taken her to plenty of Stately Homes during her childhood!

One thing you will never hear on this thread is that your abuse or experience was not that bad. You will never have your feelings minimised the way they were when you were a child, or now that you are an adult."

You should definitely stop suggesting that posters go on those threads and post irrelevant information (I'm referring to your "Would you like to go on Stately Homes thread and state that?" comment). Have some compassion. If those threads don't apply to you, have some respect and leave them well alone.

PicsInRed · 03/12/2021 23:34

I just queried the abuse allegations made on here because I think accusations of serious harm by public figures should be backed up

I used the word "abuse" because he has very publicly, repeatedly, behaved abusively towards his daughter. Classic coervice controlling behaviour, a real punisher.

He isn't a "public figure", he's famous for behaving like a right twat.

Essexmum321 · 04/12/2021 00:06

So today Joanna Lumley and Kirsty Allsop have come out in support of Prince Charles and William/Catherine Hmm