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BBC The Princes and the Press

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coniferforest · 23/11/2021 09:24

Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

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SueSaid · 03/12/2021 19:04

'None of that matters, because it wasn't you.'

Oh dear.

The same could be said for every single thread on mn. It's a chat forum y'see where opinions are shared. It doesn't matter you're right! but we are allowed to debate. Maybe you should read a book instead?

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 19:06

@rubicscubicle

Can you quote when Thomas Markle "blackmailed" Meghan that he would do an interview every month until he spoke to her?

I found the following quote but it doesn't back up what you said:

'If after this interview, if I don’t hear from somebody in 30 days, I’ll give 30 days and I’m going to try again, because 30 days is enough time to get back to me. I don’t want to sit in silence in my living room for the rest of my life, waiting for someone to call me back or get in touch with me'.

I interpret 'try again' as try to make contact/reach out, no suggestion that would be a TV interview.

Admitted that he messed up her wedding? Which one? In what way was it messed up?

Your final point- you're criticising him for requesting payment for TV appearances, is that correct?

rubicscubicle · 03/12/2021 19:06

@givethatbabyaname
I would say it was you who revealed yourself. Pretending to be objective and then putting in unnecessary barbs. Like saying you don't believe the work she has done for years before Harry is somehow a show or BS, as you put it.

SueSaid · 03/12/2021 19:07

God those texts. Why the text speak?!

H comes across as an arrogant bossy prat. I'm not surprised TM dug his heels in further.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 19:08

So derxa Harry asking him not to talk to the press is 'unpleasant'. I think your link shows how much they both tried to contact him and how many times he ignored them.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 19:10

BringBack I heard an interview with him saying he would give an interview every month until she contacted him. I heard it.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 19:10

I think it was possibly GMB. But really can't trawl through to find it. But definitely he said this.

derxa · 03/12/2021 19:11

@Roussette

So derxa Harry asking him not to talk to the press is 'unpleasant'. I think your link shows how much they both tried to contact him and how many times he ignored them.
I'm not claiming anything. I provided a link which detailed some of the texts read out in court. I was just trying to be helpful to the thread. Confused
Roussette · 03/12/2021 19:11

Maybe you should read a book instead?

Why do this?

I had similar rudeness a day or two ago.

Roussette · 03/12/2021 19:14

It's no wonder posters come on these threads and leave pretty quickly Hmm

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 19:18

@Roussette

I think it was possibly GMB. But really can't trawl through to find it. But definitely he said this.
Yeah the quote I posted was from a GMB interview. I got it from a Daily Mail article titled, "Thomas Markle threatens to give an interview every 30 DAYS until Prince Harry or Meghan call him..." but as you can see from the quote, Thomas Markle definitely did NOT say that.
rubicscubicle · 03/12/2021 19:21

@Roussette

BringBack I heard an interview with him saying he would give an interview every month until she contacted him. I heard it.
He said it on GMB and also said it on his own interview / doc.
Roussette · 03/12/2021 19:23

Everywhere I read he says... he will give monthly interviews/will keep speaking to the media every month.

Just imagine this on Stately Homes...

I remember a thread on there with a father who was posting on FB about his daughter. The outcry on MN was unanimous...go NC

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 19:25

Everywhere I read he says... he will give monthly interviews/will keep speaking to the media every month.

Stop reading the Daily Mail Grin

rubicscubicle · 03/12/2021 19:32

twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1369213005859291139

minou123 · 03/12/2021 19:35

@JaniieJones

'None of that matters, because it wasn't you.'

Oh dear.

The same could be said for every single thread on mn. It's a chat forum y'see where opinions are shared. It doesn't matter you're right! but we are allowed to debate. Maybe you should read a book instead?

I wasn't rude to you, was I?

The point I was making is, your debating something that either didn't happen or we dont know the full story.

To give an example.
JK Rowling sued the Daily Mail for libel. The headline they ran was
"How JK Rowling's sob story about her past as a single mother has left the churchgoers who cared for her upset and bewildered"

None of this was true. They twisted a story JK Rowling had wrote and tried to make her look like a terrible person.
They left key facts out that explained why JK Rowling was writing about her experiences as a single mother.
And they included bold face lies about how the churchgoers were so upset.

The DM didn't care, the aim of this headline and story was to get people to buy their paper.
JK Rowling had to deal with members of the public telling her she is a terrible, bad person.
The result was people giving thier opinion on something that didn't happen.

rubicscubicle · 03/12/2021 19:35

The original channel took it down, but someone got a hold of it before hand. Here he talks about how he was just there to help mess up the wedding

twitter.com/SereneJudith/status/1450412911206273027

givethatbabyaname · 03/12/2021 19:37

@rubicscubicle

The World Vision stint was a paid for (by MM, that is) engagement that many aspiring celebrities use to cultivate a certain image. Sure, it’s a charitable image (and not a brazen product placement image, although she did that too before and during marriage to Harry). But it was image, nonetheless. 3 days in India doesn’t mean much in my book, especially when you had something to gain by it.

Same goes for the visit to US troops abroad.

I said it was BS in the same vein as the rest of the RF. If she truly, honestly cared about the causes (and there have been many of them) she espouses to the extent she appears to, she simply could not explain away the things we know about. Empowerment of women? Not a woman on this planet has escaped feeling hard done by at some point for merely being a woman. We will all have felt scorching anger at times. But how many of us would have gone on to brief against our own half sister having three children by three different men as though that were a slight or character, whether in self-defence or outright attack. If you truly believe in empowering women you just cannot think that way let alone cross that line. You know how hard it is, and you don’t use that as a stick.

It’s like someone claiming to be an eco-warrior and yet taking private jets and holidaying in the lap of luxury in distant tropical islands (Charles, William, Harry). Or someone claiming to serve the nation above all else while taking backhanders and entering into shady business deals with foreign businessmen (Andrew). Or claiming to understand the difficulties and challenges of motherhood while being a literal princess and future queen and literally NEVER knowing what it’s like to be a “regular” mum (Kate). How do they keep a straight face? Can they not see their own hypocrisy?

My objective opinion based on what I’ve seen is that like many many celebrities, virtue for MM is a tool that can serves her. If it doesn’t, it’s easily dispensed with. It just doesn’t add up. The words, the actions, the press releases, the choices - in my personal objective opinion, it’s self-serving BS.

BringBackThinEyebrows · 03/12/2021 19:42

[quote rubicscubicle]The original channel took it down, but someone got a hold of it before hand. Here he talks about how he was just there to help mess up the wedding

twitter.com/SereneJudith/status/1450412911206273027[/quote]
He says he was 'set up', implying he was manipulated as part of 'a plan to mess up the wedding'. He doesn't state that he planned to mess up the wedding himself.

Serenster · 03/12/2021 19:43

[quote rubicscubicle]@Serenster

Please do link, because I was following the case and I have no idea what you are talking about, and I think you are desperately making things up at this point.[/quote]
Happy to, rubicscubicle

Here’s a summary of the upsetting text from Prince Harry that the judge declined to read aloud in court:

pressfrom.info/au/news/world/-470520-strong-text-from-prince-harry-upset-meghan-s-ailing-dad.html

And here’s about the texts from Thomas Markle generally:

uk.movies.yahoo.com/strong-text-prince-harry-upset-162208767.html

In case you missed it - the judge allowed Meghan’s barrister ”to run through a “critical” series of texts sent in the days before the wedding, which, he said, showed there was “abundant contact” between Thomas Markle and the couple. This contradicted “very hurtful” claims made by Meghan’s friends in an interview with People magazine that Thomas was “ignoring” his daughter in those critical days, he said, adding, “This is why the texts matter”

(For information - anything read aloud in court is in the public domain. Judges will decline to do so for things that are truly confidential or very damaging to the person’s reputation. In the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard proceedings, by contrast, the judge was happy to have texts like Johnny Depp’s text about his ex-wife: “Let’s drown her before we burn her!!! I will f* her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead” read aloud. Make of that what you will.)

rubicscubicle · 03/12/2021 19:44

On that point, I guess you could say the same about David Attenborough flying out all over the world and telling us about climate too.

All in all, I don't know anyone except a few people like Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela, Ghandi etc. who don't live a life outside the cause. But I would not say it's all BS.

How do you know MM's brief on Samantha would not have been the same about her brother and assume it's only directed at her as a woman. Maybe she would have said the same about TM junior if he was the one after her. If you have a contrasting statement from her regarding a man, maybe I'll listen.

Serenster · 03/12/2021 19:45

@Roussette

She also did not include the text from Harry that was so nasty the Judge declined to read it aloud in court

I hate to do this because I get it all the time... but can you link to anything saying that Harry sent a nasty text?
Happy to accept any outcome on this.

No worries! Have responded above Grin
Aspiringmatriarch · 03/12/2021 19:46

In your personal objective opinion in which you somehow know her innermost motivations, and leave out many many other examples going back to when she was still at school? Sure.

And I'm sorry but the comment about different children by different fathers (while not particularly nice) is nothing compared to what Samantha has repeatedly, publicly said about Meghan. And clearly she has interpersonal issues, to put it nicely. You don't have to like, get on with or agree with everything a woman does to be a feminist or work towards empowering others. Maybe she thinks Samantha is completely toxic and her fractured familial relationships are a testament to that?

I can't get my head around the choice to defend the likes of Thomas and Samantha Markle and the tabloid press just to take a swipe at Meghan for being less than perfect.

Aspiringmatriarch · 03/12/2021 19:46

Sorry that was too givethatbabyaname