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BBC The Princes and the Press

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coniferforest · 23/11/2021 09:24

Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

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HeddaGarbled · 30/11/2021 23:09

Maybe the more valid comparison is between U.K. tabloids and (some) American news channels? I think they are extremely partisan, vitriolic and dishonest.

Viviennemary · 30/11/2021 23:09

Apparently Trump has been interviewed earlier and has been bashing Meghan. Oh well she has bashed him plenty. Its like Punch & Judy. Bit of a farce really.

AnnunciataZ · 30/11/2021 23:13

Oh please, does anyone give any credence to what Trump says anymore? He's also mouthed off about Kate and Diana. I think Meghan in her pre-royal life called him a misogynist. Not sure that's "bashing" as much as stating a fact.

julieca · 01/12/2021 05:23

So if we say black and brown people are employed in relatively small numbers in the Royal Family because they don't want to work in those jobs (not that I believe that), then apparently they want to work for William and Kate even less as their ethnic diversity figures are supposed to be even lower than the published figures. Given they haven't been published, I suspect they are shockingly low.

debbrianna · 01/12/2021 06:00

Is there a shortage of black and brown people joining the army? This should give a perspective on things becuase they carry similar weight. However, with the royal family will carry more vetting for some roles, and will probably needs you to carry a British passport. This will eliminate a chunk/huge number off becuase not everyone who lives in thus country will naturalise after a certain amount of years and so will there kids.
It will not surprise me if cleaners and cooks, the lower end jobs get contracted out to agencies and that is why they have a high diversity numbers in those areas. I am basing this on a nother british institution which does similar with the lower end staff. However, everywhere else within that system and the higher up you go it's very white.

julieca · 01/12/2021 06:03

The RF banned black and brown people from office jobs until at least the 1960s.

Wellarentyouacleverdick · 01/12/2021 06:08

@julieca

The RF banned black and brown people from office jobs until at least the 1960s.
Obviously, that is utterly appalling. But the RF won't have been the only institution to have done so. At that time, it wasn't so unusual.

Thank goodness we no longer live in those times where it's considered acceptable.

julieca · 01/12/2021 06:10

Yes it is appalling, and no they weren't the only ones. But the 80s and 90s were a time of big change for a lot of companies that made big changes to their recruitment practices and now have a diverse workforce. The RF are stuck in the past and take pride in doing things how they have always been done. So no it doesn't surprise me that they have not made the necessary changes to attract a diverse workforce.

YourenutsmiLord · 01/12/2021 06:24

having lived in the states for a long time, I can vouch that the British tabloid press is quite shocking in its vitriol
I agree.
I don't think people read newspapers to the same extent. Possibly in the Atlantic side but ime I never saw anyone with a paper (thinking of the UK freebies in eg Waitrose coffee shop or on planes.
I would guess it's because of the risk of litigation is much fiercer in the US, the lies the papers tell here, they'd get sued out of publication in the US.
There are dire magazines for sale at the checkouts. Usually a pic of a celeb or RF with a weird look on their face (possibly about the sneeze) and a headline 'Jennifer shows disgust at Brad's ....whatever' drivel.

Aspiringmatriarch · 01/12/2021 07:39

I think in the states the tabloid magazines are very much separate from legitimate newspapers as well, things like the National Enquirer are viewed as trashy and not trustworthy. Whereas here it's much more intertwined with our actual news.

Maireas · 01/12/2021 07:40

@julieca

The RF banned black and brown people from office jobs until at least the 1960s.
Unfortunately, so did most places. They could also legally pay women less for doing the same job as a man. Not many institutions would stand up to scrutiny for their employment practices 50 years ago. However, I agree that they should have demonstrably moved on.
queenofarles · 01/12/2021 08:56

their ethnic diversity figures are supposed to be even lower than the published figures. Given they haven't been published, I suspect they are shockingly low.
If most were POC then they would be accused of having a coloniser mindset, if it’s just the one or two then it will be regarded as the token POC.

H&M only have one POC in their communication team out of 6.

it’s just on here I get the impression that working for the RF is this amazing opportunity with great Perks, while in reality I know for a fact that it’s really something you don’t want be part of for a long time, unlike other big employers like JL for example , even the BBC offers better benefits than working for the Royal households.

rubicscubicle · 01/12/2021 09:10

No one has ever accused anyone of a coloniser mindset if they hire people of colour at a good or management level or up. Never.
It would look suspicious though, if every person of colour is either cooking or cleaning etc.

Where is the list of Archwell productions, please link this, as I am curious. I have never known them to publicise all their staff. Just the few well known high profile appointments.
Not that they have anything to do with a UK tax funded organisation.

It does not matter if working there does not pay that well, it looks great on your cv and is a springboard - which from the looks of it, they are withholding from people of colour.

julieca · 01/12/2021 09:14

@Maireas no not most places at all. Some places did yes.

julieca · 01/12/2021 09:19

@queenofarles I dont know about where H and M live, but 1 out of 6 reflects the ethnic minority population in Britain.
I am not talking about tokenism, but workplaces should reflect the diversity of the population in which they are based. I would expect staff at Balmoral Castle to be largely white. I don't expect it at Buckingham Castle. Although in reality at Buckingham Castle with nearly 500 staff, black staff are largely in the shops and catering which I suspect is contracted out.

queenofarles · 01/12/2021 09:30

I can’t link on phone but here is a paste of the names on tatler:

James Holt, Executive Director of Archewell Foundation

Toya Holness, Press Secretary

Andrew Meyer, Business Manager, and Rick Genow, Lawyer

Ben Browning, Head of Content for Archewell Productions and Archewell Audio

Christine Schirmer, Head of PR

Genevieve Roth, Strategy at Archewell Foundation

Maybe there are other POC but they hold lower level jobs ? Or maybe it’s a ratio issue and other POC are employed at other big firms ? .

jule they live in California Confused

TheElvishQueen · 01/12/2021 09:35

I wonder how many POC M and H have working for them? That would be an interesting thing to know.

queenofarles · 01/12/2021 09:35

I apologise , it’s 1 out of 7 management and senior roles , Toya was christines press secretary at Pinterest , so figure she’s part of her team.

Roussette · 01/12/2021 09:36

As a PP said... 1 in 6 in better than what the Palace figures (excluding W&K who won't reveal) are.

I'm not sure why posters are saying it's not a problem, or so what... when the Palace itself is saying it's a problem and 'we must do better'.
That's quite funny

Lacesaskew · 01/12/2021 09:46

I honestly don't think Rachel, Boris or Stanley are capable of feeling shame.

rubicscubicle · 01/12/2021 09:55

Only 3 of those people are employees of Archewell, the rest are advisors and consultants with their own companies they run full time.

They were the given names as they are high profile who are used to dealing with the press and public at a high profile. You have no idea who is their head of HR, Finance, Operations etc. You can't know who their senior managers are because they are not listed on their website.

queenofarles · 01/12/2021 10:03

I'm not sure why posters are saying it's not a problem, or so what... when the Palace itself is saying it's a problem and 'we must do better
Of course the palace would say that Hmm , or would you rather they say , no thanks we are good as we are,
Plus , I’m certain south Asian won’t be thrilled to work within an establishment where a previous member insulted them by calling them Derogatory words.
Just like Black people now are feeling quite resentful towards them for questioning the skin colour of their grandchild.

queenofarles · 01/12/2021 10:12

rubi as I said it could be an issue of ratio,
Among other issues, seeing how many leave Archewell quickly , it could be that it’s a very difficult and challenging environment to work in,

Just like it could be many other reasons why POC avoid working /applying to work for the Royal Households . Not appealing to work there.

rubicscubicle · 01/12/2021 10:32

Who has left Archewell ?

rubicscubicle · 01/12/2021 10:33

As for the ratio, I just said there are 3 employees, two women, one of them a person of colour.