BBC The Princes and the Press

[coniferforest]

Did anyone watch this last night? About William and Harry and their different approaches to the press. Last night was part 1 of 2.

Oh rubics. You are so easily taken in. They did OW to tell”their” truths which wouldn’t know “the truth” in any shape or form. So many of their “truths” have been debunked as at best over reactions and fabrications and at worst out and out lies.

Nothing was debunked. The DM twisted what they were saying, and DM themselves were debunked.

Wasn’t there a bit of mumbling about H&M during the Australia tour due to them making their pregnancy announcement at Eugenie’s wedding?

I don’t remember if there were any articles about it at the time but there were comments about how they stole Eugenie’s thunder and how it was bad etiquette to announce a pregnancy at someone else’s event/wedding.

"On the same trip, during a Fiji market tour, Meghan was seen by several reporters raging at an aide. Daily Mail royal correspondent Rebecca English said she witnessed the duchess "turn and 'hiss' at a member of her entourage, clearly incandescent with rage about something, and demand to leave"

That's made me laugh!

Number one... it's a DM reporter who makes money off the back of H&M
Number two... recollections may vary lol

What does it say in the article, Roussette? Is Charles blaming William?

No idea! I refuse to click on a DM article. But the headline means... as a PP has said... there aren't that many more it could be.

Wasn’t there a bit of mumbling about H&M during the Australia tour due to them making their pregnancy announcement at Eugenie’s wedding?

Nah. Another DM story. And bear in mind Eugenie and Meghan are friendly, you shouldn't believe all the DM makes up...

how it was bad etiquette to announce a pregnancy at someone else’s event/wedding

This has been debunked.

Maybe she should've just not gone to the wedding being pregnant an' all...

how it was bad etiquette to announce a pregnancy at someone else’s event/wedding

I’m not sure whether that actually happened but in my mind doing that is as bad as proposing to your partner in the midst of someone else’s wedding.

The day is about the bride and groom and anything like the above that diverts from them is attention seeking.

Good job they didn't do that then!

They might not have done that to the family but they did to the world. She got out of that car wearing a maternity coat and yet she can't have been more than 12 weeks. They knew that that would be a red rag to the papers.

This has been debunked.

By who? Omid Scobie in Harpers Bazaar?

2018 However, a source tells BAZAAR.com that Harry and Meghan did not break the news to their family at the wedding. The Queen and Prince Philip, Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall, and Eugenie and Jack all knew about Meghan's pregnancy before the wedding, but hadn't seen the Sussexes in person until Friday—making the wedding the first time these members of the royal family could congratulate the couple in person. It's unclear whether the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge knew ahead of time.
But altogether, most people at the wedding didn't know about Meghan's pregnancy, the source says.

The same Omid Scobie that confirmed it did happen in 'Finding Freedom'?

2020 Now, Finding Freedom explains that Harry and Meghan did indeed tell family of the pregnancy during the wedding, and that Eugenie was upset. 'A source said [she] told friends she felt the couple should have waited to share the news,’ the authors reveal. The book tries to explain the couple’s rationale, that Meghan was already ‘showing’ and that they were about to embark on an overseas tour of Australia and New Zealand, so wanted to get ahead of pregnancy rumours.

Honestly!

Ha @StormzyinaTCup! So this is it being 'debunked' is it. Lol.

Despite H&M only ever speaking to Omid once when they were in the firm, both confirming this. Then Jason emails showing that H&M were not sure to even trust Omid and Jason convincing them to. A lot of what Omid wrote in the book is just not even true (though he says he got it from sources, not from H&M), like the proposal in Africa?
Yet people come on here, and quote him as if they are quoting H&M themselves.

Omid himself said he spoke to several people in the palace, and I can bet a lot of his info comes from Jason and others who were briefing against H&M.

The rumour that she was announcing at the wedding was started by some troll, came over to MN and everywhere (a bit like the throwing tea story, or being kicked out of Charles garden party, abusing Charlotte etc.) and next thing I know it was being said on panels by the likes of Carole Malone.

It would be easy for Omid to hear that it may have been announced on WhatsApp group and this was the first and last time that H&M were seeing the family before the Australia trip that same evening, so people would naturally congratulate them.

I suppose people take Omid Scobies book as true, given that they haven’t sued him?

They also have not sued Lady C and the 10 other books out.

It would be easy for Omid to hear that it may have been announced on WhatsApp group and this was the first and last time that H&M were seeing the family before the Australia trip that same evening, so people would naturally congratulate them. As if.

I suspect Harry will sing when the price is right

Very possibly

However I can't believe - I mean really can't believe - that folk are interested in something being run by the Scum of all sources
It must be obvious by now that I'm the very last to defend Charles, but even I'm not going to have a go on the back of something from that rag, especially when it concerns something that we can't even know happened in the first place

Why not do you think?

I never knew there were so many!

Last time I checked the sun had something against H&M, not Charles. The story accusing Charles did not come from them, if anything they are defending him, stating he denied. So are you saying you don't believe that he is not the racist?

@Bleddyansum

Why not do you think?

I never knew there were so many!

I don't know exactly, but it can't be easy to sue when the writers have gone to Jason Knauf and he either confirmed, fed stories or said no comment. They were still working with the palace at that point.

Maybe from now on it may get a bit easier, if the people who are writing the stories, ask them, they deny and they run the story anyway. Even then, they may not bother with the nitpicking of all the details out there.

But if there is a serious accusation now , their office can be asked and they can deny it, and they are at least in a position to sue if they feel the need.

Over the years the Scum has had something against all of them, rubics
I can't really criticise them for that since I feel much the same myself, but it's the journalists' gutter standards I object to

FWIW I couldn't possibly say whether Charles is a racist or not. If he is he's covered it up pretty well, but then the RF cover up everything that doesn't suit

Overall, though, I'm not going to get excited over an allegation which lacks detail or even a name, and certainly not when it comes from a couple who've already been shown to have a loose grasp of the truth

I think that Harry is the ‘fly in the ointment’. I think he fed her a lot of BS.

Meghan should have done her due diligence, and googled Harry before she fell for the ‘marrying a Prince fairytale’.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2016/11/prince-harry-s-woke-statement-doesn-t-mean-we-should-start-dreaming-being

I think I have found another incidence of his racism, but of course you can’t believe everything you read, or can you?

Meghan should have done her due diligence, and googled Harry before she fell for the ‘marrying a Prince fairytale’

You know this was her mindset do you?
Because I didn't know this! Not once has she even hinted she was marrying into a fairytale but don't let that get in the way of your post!

I'm very glad that link of yours is behind a paywall because, from what I can see, it is nasty.

I will answer you in 2 parts as busy cooking

A: written by Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff (Google her)

Cooking takes preference!

Ditto here

I'll feel you in @Roussette

Its an article from 2016 where the writer says that just because Harry married a woman of colour, does not mean he is not racist and goes on to quote his past racism - the nazi uniform etc. without saying anything about his apology or racial awareness.

The writer also goes on about how MM is light skinned and mixed heritage hair etc. so implies that she does not count as black/of colour enough. Well on top of that is says she is 'white passing' and privileged - arguably untrue.

But because it's written by a black woman we are supposed to believe and hold it to some esteem. If a person, especially one of colour uses the word 'woke' in this way, you are just naturally weary.

@rubicscubicle

I'll feel you in *@Roussette*

Its an article from 2016 where the writer says that just because Harry married a woman of colour, does not mean he is not racist and goes on to quote his past racism - the nazi uniform etc. without saying anything about his apology or racial awareness.

The writer also goes on about how MM is light skinned and mixed heritage hair etc. so implies that she does not count as black/of colour enough. Well on top of that is says she is 'white passing' and privileged - arguably untrue.

But because it's written by a black woman we are supposed to believe and hold it to some esteem. If a person, especially one of colour uses the word 'woke' in this way, you are just naturally weary.

It wasn’t behind a paywall for me.

Pick your paragraphs as you see fit @rubicscuble.

I can fill in the blanks you omitted:-

When it comes to the prince on a personal level, his recent actions don’t cancel out the realities of his past either. Not only should Harry be well-remembered for dressing up as a Nazi and using the terms raghead and paki, he also reportedly once said of his Zimbabwean now-ex-girlfriend Chelsea Davy: “She’s not black or anything, you know.” Because being black, for so many people in the upper classes, is still a problem.

So, while I do salute him for hopefully opening a wider discourse on racism in this country and abroad at a crucial time when Trumpism, Brexit and activism from groups like Black Lives Matter are holding the headlines, it must always be remembered that you can date a black person, or even have a black child, and still be a racist.