Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

Meghan is a narcissist- of course she thinks she knew better!

At least posts like this are obvious.

Yes, going back to the thread topic, this came up on a news feed. I know it’s a gossipy site, but I thought it explained quite well why the emails about the contact with the authors of Finding Freedom were relevant to the Thomas Markle Letter case.

www.thedailybeast.com/did-meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-forget-to-tell-a-uk-court-anything-else

@Roussette. I wasn't aiming my comments at you personally, I was genuinely taken aback that a few posters thought there had been no criticism of KM's dress sense. But as you commented to me, I've looked back and you specifically refer to no criticism of her on the MN site rather than just the RF board.
As I've said more than once. I am talking about on MN. Not other sites.
Although I accept you might have meant something different.

Just to clarify my position. I thought that green commonwealth outfit, from hat to toes, was horrible. Too much green and not a nice green. But I loved her in the turquoise dress she wore in that fab picture of her and Harry.
Kate's Bond dress was a knockout. It just was. And having Bond complimenting her was made one of those great stories. I've no criticism of Meghan's red dress but it just didn't fit and once you've seen that, it's hard to see past it. Meghan has a great figure but because she's short, some dresses won't fit the length of her torso. To be honest though, the dress didn't fit in the front, her bosoms were wandering off to the side, or the back. I love her casual style so much more than Kate's but, love them or hare them, Kate's clothes always fit.

But my opinions on their fashion doesn't reflect what I think of them as people. I'm allowed to say, I don't like that or it doesn't fit without being accused of being nasty and abusive.

madison I thought it went without saying we're talking about MN threads!
Then posters start bringing in Instagram and all that malarkey.

As I said a few posts ago, I didn't like the red dress, just not my thing. Everyone has a style and that wasn't mine, but I did not feel it was inappropriate, that she was hogging the limelight, that she was trying to be the star or whatever. I love her in a sheath style dress, the red dress was a bit Kim Kardashian in my book, BUT it was what she wanted to wear, red suits her, and it suited the occasion IMO.

Who has accused you of being nasty and abusive? I haven't seen that on here at all.

Looking back at that article, it’s quite long so I’ll copy and paste one of the paragraphs that explains the point about the emails over Finding Freedom:

Knauf also said “the duke and duchess authorized specific co-operation in writing” with Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand, directly contradicting Meghan’s earlier claim in court papers she did not do that.

Despite the fact that the case is about the letter Meghan wrote to her dad, not the sourcing for the book, this statement from Knauf changes everything, Hooper says: “Until this evidence came out it was probably quite unlikely that the Court of Appeal would have reversed the decision of Warby. He is the most experienced media judge. But it looks as if Meghan pulled the wool over his eyes, and this an entirely different ball game now.

So much deliberate derailing on this thread can't we ignore those posters please

But as you commented to me, I've looked back and you specifically refer to no criticism of her on the MN site rather than just the RF board

Because Meghan threads are sometimes in RF, sometimes in AIBU, sometimes in Chat.

Whingasaurus Feel free to comment on the subject in hand then! No-one's stopping you....

Bit silly to say that MM has no effect on people's lives because she is not a politician. We are talking, potentially about an ability to manipulate our judicial systems, to get away with doing so. We are talking about the rich privilege which allows this and allows people to lie and get away with it in a way which average people don't. Or maybe we're talking about structural racism. Either way, it affects all of us.

Who is Hooper? Never heard his name before

So...she made 11 personal trips? How did she manage that when the palace were supposedly holding her passport and not letting her out? 🤔

Liar liar pants in fire.

@Rousette. He’s a a retired Libel lawyer. Read the whole article.

So...she made 11 personal trips? How did she manage that when the palace were supposedly holding her passport and not letting her out? 🤔

Liar liar pants in fire

It's already been said on this thread that she never claimed she wasn't allowed to travel or was somehow held captive.

Oh dear Lord, it's really simple Kate doesn't get the amount of criticism that Meghan does because of her own actions.

She's not awkward and demanding, she's up for a bit of a laugh, she doesn't constantly whine about how unfair all criticism of her is. After some fairly serious fashion mistakes she has learned by TAKING ADVICE how to dress appropriately.

Also....She doesn't LIE IN COURT.

Meghan and Harry's own actions are why they face more criticism. That's it there is no hate, no conspiracy.

I mean, I don't know about anyone else but it's quite obvious that MM was trying (way too hard) for a "Kate Bond Premier" moment. So desperate for that recognition in fact that she forgot the difference between a movie premiere and a veterans Gala.

@amusedtodeath1

Oh dear Lord, it's really simple Kate doesn't get the amount of criticism that Meghan does because of her own actions.

She's not awkward and demanding, she's up for a bit of a laugh, she doesn't constantly whine about how unfair all criticism of her is. After some fairly serious fashion mistakes she has learned by TAKING ADVICE how to dress appropriately.

Also....She doesn't LIE IN COURT.

Meghan and Harry's own actions are why they face more criticism. That's it there is no hate, no conspiracy.

I mean, I don't know about anyone else but it's quite obvious that MM was trying (way too hard) for a "Kate Bond Premier" moment. So desperate for that recognition in fact that she forgot the difference between a movie premiere and a veterans Gala.

Too true!

I have enough stuff coming into my inbox without subscribing to Daily Beast. I will try and find it elsewhere.
However, it seems like a retired libel lawyer is giving his opinion.

One thing's for sure... we've all got 'em!
Opinions, that is

Biggest difference between Kate and Meghan is....

We don't pay for Meghan

We don't pay for Angelina Jolie either but that doesn't mean she's exempt from all criticism.

I have not said Meghan is exempt from all criticism, have I ?

It's when it gets to ridiculous lengths that I start to think.... hang on a minute.....

Oh come on, your inference was that because we don't pay of MM anymore criticism of her is somehow less appropriate. Or maybe it was that it's okay to criticize Kate because we pay for her, either way it's not true.

If you put yourself out there publicly, if you trash talk about people publicly, complain about how awful people treat you and MISLEAD people and COURTS, then you have opened yourself up to scrutiny.

No one likes a hypocrite.

@Roussette.
I thought it went without saying we're talking about MN threads!

Yes, absolutely which is why I said there was tons of criticism on MN in S&B threads. But you then changed that and said, I am talking about threads on RF section, not S&B. So you changed from MN site to RF board. That's all I was pointing out. I accepted that you might have meant different.

You didn't say that I was nasty for criticising Meghans dress, but another poster said that criticising what people wore was nasty. That's what I was referring to.

Anyway, sometimes both Kate and Meghan wear nice things, sometimes they don't. Anyone can comment. I never comment in a negative way on their figures or looks. Clothes, yes. People, no.

I don't think either of us have much of a different opinion on this so shall we just draw a line and move on? x

Roussette of course some of the criticism can go to ridiculous lengths. That’s what happens on anonymous forums. But what do you think of the fact that by her own admission, Meghan misled the court and collaborated with Scobie and Durant in some way? Despite many posters having asserted that she could not have done because she said she hadn’t?

Absolutely madison.

Sometimes I love what Kate looks like, sometimes I don't because it's a style that's not appealing to me. Ditto Meghan. And I think you said M wears casual stuff really well... I agree with that. Because it's what I struggle with.
I feel confident dressed up.... in casual style I look rubbish! My best girlfriend has the most exquisite casual style, I love it, but she's a size 8 to 10... and I ummmm am not!

Going back to the court case...

How much do you think is a matter of personal interpretation when it comes to the statement about Finding Freedom? As far as I can see, there was essentially one email in which Meghan gave background information for Jason Knauf to relay to Omid Scobie - is that about it or was there more? And the wording of the original statement was that they didn't give interviews or collaborate (I think). So what is collaborating? If the background information was essentially what was always provided to journalists et al and wasn't exclusively given to Omid Scobie, and was in fact information already in the public sphere, does that rise to the level of collaboration?

I would argue not really since it's clear from the emails they didn't commission the book or have any editorial control, weren't overly impressed with Scobie's accuracy, and didn't meet him to discuss it. What they provided was essentially the kind of briefing Jason Knauf would have been doing quite frequently as part of his role dealing with the media. Any thoughts on this characterisation?

Meghan always looks awesome in Jeans. It's not a woman shaming thing, it's a "for the love of God, stop trying to control the narrative,/outshine Kate,/get one over on the RF and go and live your life, with your hubby and two beautiful kids, before you completely fuck it up for good" type thing.

Misleading the court is a pretty big thing, it will take a long time for people to forget that, and they will only ever do that if she backs off with all the manipulation and spin.

People see through it.