Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I'm also noting the repeated attempts to make this a thread about Meghan's experiences of racism, when it's a thread about her court case and the revelations of her forgetfulness and non-attempts to mislead the court

Indeed

On the subject of weaponising intimate family details, I also wonder how Samantha feels about that right now. Admittedly she doesn't always come across as the pleasantest of people, but I'm not sure even she deserved to have her alleged child custody arrangements used against her quite so viciously - especially from a self-proclaimed champion of women

Once more, her own children went and did the interview on this.

Does anyone know how long the result of the appeal will take?

Ps I and many many others a do sympathize with allegations of racism Meghan and her children ( Archie faced). The proof is out there, no black person especially a high profile cries racism just because..

You must have lied yourself in your lifetime - even if for a valid reason

Rubicscubicle, there must be at least two pages of posts of you insisting that it was not ok for the RF to lie to cover Meghan having gone to Toronto, even though posters pointed out that their “valid reason” was to protect Meghan’s privacy. But now it’s ok to lie if you have a “valid reason”

@smilesy

You must have lied yourself in your lifetime - even if for a valid reason

Rubicscubicle, there must be at least two pages of posts of you insisting that it was not ok for the RF to lie to cover Meghan having gone to Toronto, even though posters pointed out that their “valid reason” was to protect Meghan’s privacy. But now it’s ok to lie if you have a “valid reason”

My point always was that if you say that about MM, you should say it about royals, and it has been disputed. Nothing not clear about that.

I also wonder how Samantha feels about that right now

Samantha has cashed in on Meghan from the minute she met Harry. She has been on talk shows running her down, she has called her all sorts of names, she has written books about Meghan even going as far as coming to Buckingham Palace to draw attention to it, she has an obsession with a half sister she hasn't seen for a very long time. She even says she set up the fake paparazzi photos of TM days before the wedding.
She has cashed in.

So, if the child has lied before, you disbelieve them

Not at all; in any given case it would just become one more aspect to bear in mind along with all the rest

I believe you mentioned before that Samantha's children had done an interview about the custody thing, but as the net's full of this latest story I'm struggling to find anything and wondered if you could link please?

In any case, if the story's already out there, isn't it a little odd that Samantha's gone on record denying it? (Not that I'd necessarily believe a word she says either ...)

[quote rubicscubicle]@Serenster

I still cannot believe people think that MM lied about racism against her. This is disgusting ![/quote]
My default position is I’ll believe anyone on serious matters such as racism, abuse, rape etc unless they give me a reason not to.

There are contradictions between Harry’s version of what happened and Meghan’s version. (How many conversations and when it occurred). It may not be intentional but the FACT is at least one of them is unreliable with their version of events. There’s also a possibility they both are. Given it was such a horrifying thing for them to hear about their unborn child i find it hard to believe they would not remember the details or even be on the same page about it. Unfortunately Oprah has not helped them as she did not pick up on this and ask them to clarify. So we are left with differing accounts with no explanation from them why that is. This is what makes it questionable for me.

Harry also refused to repeat what was said in the conversation. Even if they couldn’t name the person who said it for legal reasons, I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t be repeated what was specifically said if it was so clearly a racist comment. If people only give half a story when accusing someone then I tend to think they are hiding something about the context or it wasn’t quite how it is being portrayed.

The entire interview was littered with accusations, complaints and mistruths. There is personal gain, both PR wise and financially, to be had from doing the interview. Especially if you can get people to believe you.

And as time goes on we have more and more evidence of both H&M misleading the public and now the courts. So it just reinforces my scepticism of anything they say. Boy who cried wolf? If someone can lie / mislead / forget important information when under oath then I think they can lie / be unreliable about anything to be honest! So for me to believe them on anything then they have to do a lot more than just say it’s their truth.

I believe Rafiq is providing very detailed descriptions of his experience (what was said, when, by who etc). It’s not comparable to half of a confused story on Oprah.

Samantha has cashed in on Meghan from the minute she met Harry

Absolutely, yes - and it's why I said she's perhaps not the pleasantest of people, even though she's not the only one of the family who's tried that

However I've usually found, when people want to get down into the gutter, that it's better to leave them there than join them

@Roussette

I also wonder how Samantha feels about that right now

Samantha has cashed in on Meghan from the minute she met Harry. She has been on talk shows running her down, she has called her all sorts of names, she has written books about Meghan even going as far as coming to Buckingham Palace to draw attention to it, she has an obsession with a half sister she hasn't seen for a very long time. She even says she set up the fake paparazzi photos of TM days before the wedding.
She has cashed in.

If Meghan was the saint you portray her as she would have much higher standards and not sling aspersions at others. What relevance did SM's chidren's custody arrangements have to Harry and Meghan 'Finding Freedom?

However I've usually found, when people want to get down into the gutter, that it's better to leave them there than join them

Like her half brother who entered the Aus BB House running her down as his introduction to the House... yes.

Erm....hello? Did you miss the part where Meghan herself admits to misleading a court of law?

It's one thing to tell lies, it another completely to mislead a court of law, it is, in fact a criminal offence, although I doubt very much she will be charged.

They both denied having anything to do with the book, they both lied.

People have been finding gaping holes in their version of events for a long time, this just confirms that they were right.

They have lost credibility, and therefore everything they've ever said is now under debate. Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt now?

I find people's loyalty to the pair admirable in some ways, but I feel they have betrayed their supporters massively.

I have seen so many people defend them, specifically regarding them having nothing to do with the book, and now those people are left looking like fools, just because they had faith in them.

I'm very surprised there are no angry posts about being misled by them.

To me the admission of misleading the court means nothing they say can be taken at face value.

Since when have I called Meghan 'a saint' derxa.? I haven't. She makes mistakes, she's not infallible or perfect by any stretch.

However whatever MM said (not right of course)... it pales into insignificance as to what Samantha has been saying about her for years now.

Yes, that too Roussette - in fact especially that

BTW I lose track - was he the same brother who named his blasted drugs after her, or was that a different one?

Imagine knowing that your every move, even the most intimate communications with your family members, could be weaponized against you.

This bit of Roussette's article caught my eye. I don't think MM would worry about having intimate communications weaponised. After all that's what she and Harry did against the RF.

I don't feel like a fool at all amused

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yes, that too Roussette - in fact especially that

BTW I lose track - was he the same brother who named his blasted drugs after her, or was that a different one?

Think different one. Think the weed guy is the nephew I think. Tbh I lol’d at the time, it’s legal in Cali right? I mean selling the herb🤣

@amusedtodeath1

Erm....hello? Did you miss the part where Meghan herself admits to misleading a court of law?

It's one thing to tell lies, it another completely to mislead a court of law, it is, in fact a criminal offence, although I doubt very much she will be charged.

They both denied having anything to do with the book, they both lied.

People have been finding gaping holes in their version of events for a long time, this just confirms that they were right.

They have lost credibility, and therefore everything they've ever said is now under debate. Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt now?

I find people's loyalty to the pair admirable in some ways, but I feel they have betrayed their supporters massively.

I have seen so many people defend them, specifically regarding them having nothing to do with the book, and now those people are left looking like fools, just because they had faith in them.

I'm very surprised there are no angry posts about being misled by them.

To me the admission of misleading the court means nothing they say can be taken at face value.

agreed. there's an adage, when people show their true selves, believe them

The court case admission was one of those moments to show the true character of a person

Well, I would be mad if I'd spent time defending them against the allegation that they collaborated with FF, only to find out they were lying. I'm curious as to why you don't feel a bit betrayed.

Puzzled it's Thomas Junior. Could be him, don't know! He's currently dishing the dirt on her first marriage and running her down endlessly , how unpleasant..

I don't feel the slightest bit betrayed. I was never sure they hadn't fed some information for the book so it's a non event to me.

Of course, they should've fessed that up, but to me, it's not the crime of the century.
Of course, it doesn't help her/them at all, but I look at the bigger picture.

@Roussette

Since when have I called Meghan 'a saint' derxa.? I haven't. She makes mistakes, she's not infallible or perfect by any stretch. However whatever MM said (not right of course)... it pales into insignificance as to what Samantha has been saying about her for years now.

But you never explain her faults and mistakes. I could writes pages about my own faults and mistakes but you cannot find one for Meghan. That's what I find bizarre and intriguing. Is it because she is very beautiful?

More or less unpleasant than trashing your family on TV when your grandad is dying/just passed away?

They should have either been open about their involvement or not been involved at all, but they decided to do it slyly, calculatedly and then lied about it. Not only that but they then decided to mislead the court about it.

They did this to themselves.