Meghan Markle ANL court appeal. Thread 2.

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For those that are interested - I know I am.

Does anyone know when the appeal judgement will be made.

...asking for God Save the Queen to be sung at a American Military Awards Ceremony is crass

If it was actually sung as that, yes it is; however the tune's used in the US too, as "My Country 'Tis of Thee", and I've heard it at various ceremonies along with other patriotic tunes (accompanied by any Brits present muttering "They've nicked our anthem!!" )

I wonder if it's just possible that the American version was planned all along and someone's turned it into Harry hijacking it for attention?

Apparently there's video of a female singer singing God Save The Queen at the awards

The article also says that she insisted to JK that he cleared up a misconception that she had a stylist because "it’s the only thing I seem to still have any control over – my personal styling."

I read this when the emails were initially revealed. It was contained on a email to Knauf referring to Finding Freedom and the fact that someone had been named as Meghan’s stylist, something she said was not the case bid or think it’s so much the style thing that’s the issue as the fact that she feels it is the “only thing she seems to have control of”. That seems to me to go to the heart of many issues. Meghan wants to be in control. We have often talked about her “controlling the narrative”. She really does seem to have joined the RF without realising how much “control” she would have to give up. As pp have said, this does not mean she was a prisoner, it’s more that her life would be prescribed for her as the RF are, in fact. more akin to pubic servants than leaders. How this state of affairs came about for Meghan is an interesting question but was probably a combination of Harry not really impressing on her the reality of daily life as a Royal, and if her own belief that she could sweep in and make huge changes. I think to join any institution that is more important than the individuals within it necessitates a really deep understanding of what you are letting yourself in for no do not believe Meghan had this, for whatever reason.

[quote Puzzledandpissedoff] ...asking for God Save the Queen to be sung at a American Military Awards Ceremony is crass

If it was actually sung as that, yes it is; however the tune's used in the US too, as "My Country 'Tis of Thee", and I've heard it at various ceremonies along with other patriotic tunes (accompanied by any Brits present muttering "They've nicked our anthem!!" )

I wonder if it's just possible that the American version was planned all along and someone's turned it into Harry hijacking it for attention?

[/quote] It was definitely God Save the Queen that was sung. It was introduced as “a performance of the national anthems of these two great allies”. The performer, MJ Songstress says she was asked to sing it (two verses too, not just the first one) in honour of Prince Harry.

Which is kind of odd, as it’s not like we have an attachment to the anthem the way Americans have to theirs. One verse is played at some (certainly not all!) events that the Queen, or someone specifically representing her attends. Meghan and Harry definitely weren’t representing the Queen or the UK at this event, and they were there in a purely personal capacity.

About 5 mins 20 seconds in.

Perhaps it's possible that as the case was about the letter at the outset she had not thought that FF would be relevant to the case or dragged into it?
Particularly as if my memory serves me correctly court proceedings were filed sometime before the book was published

It definitely wasn’t contained in the first statements of case filed by either party, as it hadn’t been published at that stage. Once it came out however, ANL applied for permission to amend their defence to include it. Meghan opposed that application and the application was argued before the judge. It was in the course of that hearing that statements were made, and evidence filed, saying she had nothing to do with it.

ANL won the application however, so served an amended defence. Meghan lawyers then had the opportunity to prepare and serve an amended reply. So she was in no way caught on the hop about this issue, or didn’t have enough time to properly consider it - this process all took a couple of months.

About 5 mins 20 seconds in.
why?

Just to remind everyone that H and M are royalty, I should imagine.

‘Have cake and eat it’comes to mind.

I don’t think it’s dawned on Harry yet that he’s living in a different country now and being Royal in the US is an irrelevance.

I think they've forgotten that royals are ere kicked out of the US a loooong time ago.

@BananaPB

I think they've forgotten that royals are ere kicked out of the US a loooong time ago.

Indeed.

I don’t think Americans are that meek, they take so much pride in their military.
to overindulge an ex Royal and play god save the Queen is just too strange.

@smilesy

The article also says that she insisted to JK that he cleared up a misconception that she had a stylist because "it’s the only thing I seem to still have any control over – my personal styling."

I read this when the emails were initially revealed. It was contained on a email to Knauf referring to Finding Freedom and the fact that someone had been named as Meghan’s stylist, something she said was not the case bid or think it’s so much the style thing that’s the issue as the fact that she feels it is the “only thing she seems to have control of”. That seems to me to go to the heart of many issues. Meghan wants to be in control. We have often talked about her “controlling the narrative”. She really does seem to have joined the RF without realising how much “control” she would have to give up. As pp have said, this does not mean she was a prisoner, it’s more that her life would be prescribed for her as the RF are, in fact. more akin to pubic servants than leaders. How this state of affairs came about for Meghan is an interesting question but was probably a combination of Harry not really impressing on her the reality of daily life as a Royal, and if her own belief that she could sweep in and make huge changes. I think to join any institution that is more important than the individuals within it necessitates a really deep understanding of what you are letting yourself in for no do not believe Meghan had this, for whatever reason.

Good assessment, I think. There was quite a lot of talk about them "modernising" the RF, not from them, I think, but from the leader-writers in the papers. I thought it was a bit silly. They were going to be a very modern couple within the RF, but not revolutionize it all.

@queenofarles

I don’t think Americans are that meek, they take so much pride in their military. to overindulge an ex Royal and play god save the Queen is just too strange.

The organisers have been criticised by veterans for not picking an American figure to present an award but they've deleted the most critical comments off their FB. I am surprised that they allowed a Netflix camera crew and sound guy to film because it shifts focus from the veterans to H&M. Perhaps they thought they would risk the wrath for future attention for their event?

Rumour has it they left early because they got into a verbal argument with a veteran who filmed a comment for their documentary but was asked to rephrase things for a second take. There's a photo of security in between H&M and someone shouting at them which is allegedly this incident.

People who attended the event said that there always noticeably less clapping for H than the other presenters and some heckling "go home" etc

I read the same that they were not well received and told to go home. Notice pages about Meghans red dress and not a word about any veteran who got an award. All about them. As always.

@Viviennemary

I read the same that they were not well received and told to go home. Notice pages about Meghans red dress and not a word about any veteran who got an award. All about them. As always.

I have no idea about their reception at the time, but they didn’t write the articles. If she’d worn a plain black knee length shift dress, the articles would still have focused on her.

The dress she wore was beyond inappropriate on many levels, this event was not about Meghan. Only putting a red siren on her head would have created more attention, utterly disrespectful to the event.

@OliviaBean

The dress she wore was beyond inappropriate on many levels, this event was not about Meghan. Only putting a red siren on her head would have created more attention, utterly disrespectful to the event.

Perhaps. But I think it is true that regardless, she’d have been the most written about part of the event. No one was planning a long article about the veterans being honoured, but threw it out when they saw Meghan’s dress.

I find it quite sad that they were not well received and even heckled. Remembrance should really be a universal act so it shouldn’t matter which country they come from. However, they (Harry and Meghan) do seem to have a habit of “imposing” themselves onto an occasion or situation, without really reflecting on whether it is appropriate for them to be there, or whether they are really wanted.

Thanks, everyone who mentioned what really happened the anthem; I wasn't aware it had made it onto film, so am back with "how utterly inappropriate"

Rumour has it they left early because they got into a verbal argument with a veteran who filmed a comment for their documentary but was asked to rephrase things for a second take. There's a photo of security in between H&M and someone shouting at them which is allegedly this incident.

People who attended the event said that there always noticeably less clapping for H than the other presenters and some heckling "go home" etc

Where do you read these rumours/see these photos. I skimmed a lot of articles about this event, because I was trying to find one that mentioned any details on the people being honoured, and it was all fairly bland, broadly positive “H&M attended this event, lovely dress, nice speech etc etc”

They really are a pair of grifters

How are they 'imposing' themselves on an event, when Harry was specifically invited as a special guest to give out service medals? They didn't rock up and gatecrash it!

They were wanted there and the organisers obviously felt it was totally appropriate.
Unfair criticism.

I did say it was a shame if they weren’t well received and I didn’t suggest that they gatecrashed. I just thought maybe it would on occasion be wise to reflect on whether their appearance at certain events is inappropriate as it will inevitably take the spotlight away from the event in hand. Just because you are invited to do something, doesn’t mean you should.

I am surprised that they allowed a Netflix camera crew and sound guy to film because it shifts focus from the veterans to H&M

That Netflix were there is something else I wasn't aware of - presumably it'll be material for a future piece? - but focusing the attention on themselves seems a major priority these days

I don't think they've released anything about a personal wreath being laid in LA this time though, which surprised me since those who mark the event this way often continue the tradition each year