Meghan court case live today

[callmeadoctor]

No the glee is by poisonous posters like yourself who have taken against Meghan from day one and are now being called out on it. You then use the typical DARVO and gaslighting attack against me, a woman of colour, and are attempting to silence me and shut me down from pointing out the home truths of your agenda. You won't silence me, and your typical invalidating my and other black people's lived experiences won't work. I won't be silent. And I will call you and your ilk out every single time.

You won’t make me accept your accusations of racism. I reject them entirely because they simply are not true. I can sense your frustration in this but you will not. I know you’re used to everyone shutting up the moment you say it. Sorry not me. You are the one attempting to silence.

Oh and I’ve never been on a Meghan thread before so… 🤷🏼‍♀️

It will be interesting to see what details come out in day 3 - day 2 certainly was dramatic! Not sure there is much more to reveal.

@Beetle11 completely agree

It’s NOTHING to do with her race, ethnicity, the colour of her skin, however we wish to classify it

It’s everything to do with the fact she’s determined to play the victim at ever given opportunity, lives a life of luxury but constantly portrays ‘woe is me’ and lies (as proven today).

The Queen’s “recollections may vary” implies another ‘memory lapse’ from Meghan too we might presume.

pmk

Recollections may vary is going to be a classic phrase going forward, isn’t it?

@TaliaB1 - but didn't you find some of the statements and the implied meaning behind them that she said in the Oprah interview a bit deliberately misleading?

Now - it could have been down to editing and the way the Oprah team wanted to make the drama larger for TV and Meghan had no control over that.

Here's one example

• the way she said she had to surrender her passport, driving licence and keys. Potentially a factual statement - could have been for security, for her team to arrange travel, for her team to swap her US licence for a UK one etc.

But the statement was used to imply she was a prisoner/or severely restricted. But that doesn't make any sense - she had 14 different overseas trips including several personal ones so she clearly had access to her passport whenever she wanted them. We've seen all the Royals driving themselves on a regular basis - they clearly have access to their car keys. What other keys were taken away? Keys to the house? Keys to her Canadian apartment?

So it wasn't necessarily a lie - but the implication was that the evil institution was holding her hostage.

There are quite a lot of moments all the way through like that - a hint / implication > big gasp from Oprah > no follow up question to actually get to the bottom of what is being implied.

@SallyLockheart

Recollections may vary is going to be a classic phrase going forward, isn’t it?

Yep

@LondonWolf

No the glee is by poisonous posters like yourself who have taken against Meghan from day one and are now being called out on it. You then use the typical DARVO and gaslighting attack against me, a woman of colour, and are attempting to silence me and shut me down from pointing out the home truths of your agenda. You won't silence me, and your typical invalidating my and other black people's lived experiences won't work. I won't be silent. And I will call you and your ilk out every single time.

You won’t make me accept your accusations of racism. I reject them entirely because they simply are not true. I can sense your frustration in this but you will not. I know you’re used to everyone shutting up the moment you say it. Sorry not me. You are the one attempting to silence.

Oh and I’ve never been on a Meghan thread before so… 🤷🏼‍♀️

You're still gaslighting and employing DARVO. You can dismiss and gaslight a black woman all you want in order to silence me, and it's very clear that it's your M.O and are so used to getting your way, but you will never silence me because I will call you out every time you make a racist, ignorant or gaslighting comment. Whether you 'reject' the words and lived experience of a black woman doesn't matter in the end, you only show yourself up for what you are. I can tell you didn't expect to be called out, tough. I will call you out. Every single time. So get used to it. I am not going anywhere, and you will not silence me.

This is not a race issue.

The Sussexes have claimed that they are the victims of disinformation when they have been spreading plenty of their own. How many times have people rushed to their defence claiming that there's no proof that they helped the writers of Finding Freedom etc ? There were inconsistencies (lies) in that interview for example was Harry denied help for Meghan or too embarrassed to ask for it ? He's said both statements.

The newspapers and racists might have had it in for her since day one but many people (like me) formed their opinions on the Sussexes later. If you can't imagine why people might be annoyed at a rich 30 something moaning about being cut off financially and having to use his inheritance (boohoo) or question his contradictory statements eg was he too embarrassed to ask for help or was he denied it then perhaps you need to open your eyes. Many people are just annoyed with the increased amount of royal coverage or are pissed off that they never explained the incorrect conclusions that some reached (ie all Brits are racist towards Meghan) when they were trying to say that the Firm and media were racist towards them. Many people supported them at first. Their actions have led to the drop in popularity.

@derxa

pmk

What is pmk?

What is pmk?

I think it stands for placemarking - people comment so the thread goes into their watched section and they can find it again easily. You don't need to do it anymore though as you can just select 'Watch This Thread' at the top.

You're still gaslighting and employing DARVO. You can dismiss and gaslight a black woman all you want in order to silence me, and it's very clear that it's your M.O and are so used to getting your way, but you will never silence me because I will call you out every time you make a racist, ignorant or gaslighting comment. Whether you 'reject' the words and lived experience of a black woman doesn't matter in the end, you only show yourself up for what you are. I can tell you didn't expect to be called out, tough. I will call you out. Every single time. So get used to it. I am not going anywhere, and you will not silence me.

I’m glad you called me out. I’m always grateful for the opportunity to reject beliefs inspired by the damaging ideology that is CRT. I do not care that you are black. I am not employing DARVO. I am not gaslighting. You are not being honest here. You are using every weapon you can think of to attempt to shame me. It will not work. I am simply rejecting your accusations in their entirety. Every single one. Your frustration is apparent but you will not bully me into accepting your assessment of my character.

Now if you don’t mind I am going to ignore you. This back and forth is derailing the thread which is bad form

I'm non white and I'm kinda getting fed up with these racist comments. I just don't see it how its a race issue.

I can recall being in awe of MM when they announced their engagement and was excited by the prospect of a new member. However their chat with Oprah was in poor taste, the alleged wedding in their garden, her feeling sorry for herself all the time and know one asking her if she's OK - I'm jus fed up. And now she suddenly recollects that she did consult in the book by Omid....

Both MM and Harry need to shut shop.

[quote cabingirl]@TaliaB1 - but didn't you find some of the statements and the implied meaning behind them that she said in the Oprah interview a bit deliberately misleading?

Now - it could have been down to editing and the way the Oprah team wanted to make the drama larger for TV and Meghan had no control over that.

Here's one example

• the way she said she had to surrender her passport, driving licence and keys. Potentially a factual statement - could have been for security, for her team to arrange travel, for her team to swap her US licence for a UK one etc.

But the statement was used to imply she was a prisoner/or severely restricted. But that doesn't make any sense - she had 14 different overseas trips including several personal ones so she clearly had access to her passport whenever she wanted them. We've seen all the Royals driving themselves on a regular basis - they clearly have access to their car keys. What other keys were taken away? Keys to the house? Keys to her Canadian apartment?

So it wasn't necessarily a lie - but the implication was that the evil institution was holding her hostage.

There are quite a lot of moments all the way through like that - a hint / implication > big gasp from Oprah > no follow up question to actually get to the bottom of what is being implied.[/quote]
Do you really think Meghan handles her passport at the airport herself? Do you honestly think the President of the United States of America or the Prime Minister lines up at check in, with passport in hand?

Of course they don't! It is all pre-arranged. Just because she, the President, the PM, or the Queen fly places doesn't mean they actually ever see their passport. I am bemused that you actually think these people actually line up with their passport to go through check in?

Same with car keys.

And while it may be normal for the RF, the President, the PM, etc, it clearly wasn't normal for her. It wasn't wrong of the RF, but she was stating her experience and how it felt to her.

Meanwhile, back at the court case...

A pp said that the Sussexes brought this case against Palace advice.

Is there any evidence that's the case, or is it speculation?

And can someone remind me of the timelines - was the action first launched before or after they left?

😴

The Queen doesn’t have a passport…

@LondonWolf

😴

Point proven.

Thing is @TaliaB1 this is the internet. No one here knows if you are black or bame or even Rachel Dolezal. And I doubt anyone cares. So I have no idea why you spin yourself into such a frenzy of rage.

Out of interest is it possible to criticise Meghan for anything? At all? Or must any and all criticism be veiled racism? Is there any other reason why she should be given a free pass? I must have missed the press release when she was made a saint.

I think MM massively misunderstood the significance of marrying into the Royal family. She should've been prepped a lot better by Harry.

I cannot believe they talk about misinformation and ethics but yet don't practice what they preach.

Ahem!

Just dropping in to ask if we can keep the personal accusations and insults to a minimum or we'll have to lose this thread altogether.

@EdithWeston

Meanwhile, back at the court case...

A pp said that the Sussexes brought this case against Palace advice.

Is there any evidence that's the case, or is it speculation?

And can someone remind me of the timelines - was the action first launched before or after they left?

Meghan started the case against the daily Mail in October/November 2019, so just before they left. Does anyone know how Non disclosure ageeements work in this situation? Could Meghan and Harry have assumed Jason Knauff would be unable to speak out against them?

And can someone remind me of the timelines - was the action first launched before or after they left?

I've googled and found out - it was October 2019 ( www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49904428 ) so before they left. Which surprised me a bit - doesn't fit the narrative of a Palace preventing their cations and choices

Of course @FlissMumsnet

Thank you for intervening.