Meghan court case live today

[callmeadoctor]

In the last 48 hours alone we have had PH saying the following:

"Maybe people know this and maybe they don’t, but the term Megxit was or is a misogynistic term, and it was created by a troll, amplified by royal correspondents”

He was speaking at a panel discussion entitled
"The Internet Lie Machine,"

At the same time he was saying this evidence comes to light in court that MM lied and also referenced her sister in a mysogynistic way

You can’t have:
Lies on the internet = not OK (according to PH)
You wife lying in court = OK

‘Megxit’ is a misogynistic term = not OK (according to PH)
A misogynistic reference by your wife to her step sister = OK

They really need their heads banging together or at the very least both getting on the same page.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I think the speculation would be that the RF using their connections would influence or make a deal behind the scenes with ANL to 'settle' / drop their appeal

Almost but not quite, cabingirl
I'm not sure the palace would risk doing a deal with ANL over this, for fear of their attempt also finding its way into print. Much more likely IMO that it would all be sorted out with the lawyers and the court

The alternative is to believe that the RF are subject to exactly the same law as the rest of us, and that their interests are addressed in exactly the same way - which frankly is just amusing

On the other hand - the BRF will only step in if they think the institution has got something to lose by a trial going ahead. It might be that at this point they think the exposure hurts M&H far more than anyone else.

It's interesting the Jason K was suddenly free to give a statement and provide evidence gathered during his work at the Palace from July 2021 - that feels like a shift towards casting H&M adrift from the usual palace protections.

I think it's more likely that the case won't go to trial because the judge doesn't think ANL have a strong enough case.

In a way I feel a bit sorry for Meghan. She's got caught up in a situation that she just didn't understand. For years Harry has hated the press and it's been his family that have held him in check. He had been looking for exactly such a situation to arise so he could go after the press and give them a bloody nose. But what he forgets is that he had the Crown behind him in the past, pulling strings and covering for him so he didn't really understand how protected he was. But he will have led Meghan to believe that they'll be somewhat protected and that no one connected to the Palace will give evidence against them. Which of course was probably true when they first sued. But once he threw his own dirt at the RF, they probably just decided to let him fight his own fight for once. She must feel shell-shocked that so much private correspondence has been released, especially after thinking it was all over.
At this point even if she wins on a technicality, she must know that PR wise, she's lost.

I honestly don't know why she sued. It was such an unimportant forgotten letter, which didn't even show her in a bad light. But her actions have now exposed a lot about their motivations which will come back to haunt them again and again.

@madisonbridges

In a way I feel a bit sorry for Meghan. She's got caught up in a situation that she just didn't understand. For years Harry has hated the press and it's been his family that have held him in check. He had been looking for exactly such a situation to arise so he could go after the press and give them a bloody nose. But what he forgets is that he had the Crown behind him in the past, pulling strings and covering for him so he didn't really understand how protected he was. But he will have led Meghan to believe that they'll be somewhat protected and that no one connected to the Palace will give evidence against them. Which of course was probably true when they first sued. But once he threw his own dirt at the RF, they probably just decided to let him fight his own fight for once. She must feel shell-shocked that so much private correspondence has been released, especially after thinking it was all over. At this point even if she wins on a technicality, she must know that PR wise, she's lost.

I honestly don't know why she sued. It was such an unimportant forgotten letter, which didn't even show her in a bad light. But her actions have now exposed a lot about their motivations which will come back to haunt them again and again.

I think all the court cases they've brought have been instigated by Harry - it's the real push button issue for him.

*New details emerge from the Meghan/MoS Court of Appeal case today - revealing just how Jason Knauf came to break ranks to provide his witness statement. At first he adopted a 'strictly neutral' position, court papers show, and declined to help the MoS.

That position remained the same in April 2021, after Meghan had already won summary judgment in the High Court. But at the end of July, the MoS received 'information from a confidential source' indicating Knauf 'regretted not providing a witness statement'

Oprah was March, publication of Finding Freedom was August, so doesn’t look like either of those was the trigger for him changing his mind, unless it was a slow-burn after Oprah.

I feel a bit more sorry for Harry and I expect he will return to the royal fold eventually. He is a fish out of water in the USA.

@Pinkyxx

Personally, I don't think anyone comes out looking good here however I don't like the fact that I felt sorry for MM when that letter was published. I felt genuinely that it was an awful thing for her Father to do. Now that feel she distorted the facts and played a game of smoke and mirrors.

As I see it the only thing her Father did wrong was to pose for some absurd picture reading a British magazine. He didn't ignore her, in fact quite the contrary as the texts now prove. The texts / emails between her and JK seem to demonstrate that she wrote that letter knowing it would be leaked. She worded it carefully to control the narrative and portray a certain image while showing her Father in a poor light. Same on the book she (until now) claimed to have had nothing to do with.

Using her friends to have articles printed saying she was essentially a saint was provocative and aimed to prop up the image she was trying to craft publicly. This couple with the letter, feeling deeply manipulative. The 'briefing' about her family is just unforgivable. I don't care what they've done, it's just not ok. She may not like her step sister, but the hypocrisy of claiming to be a women's advocate trailblazer and then portraying her step sister in that way is disgusting and deeply misogynistic. She lied saying her Father ignored her in the run up to the wedding, refused to return messages etc - all now seems patently false based on the texts disclosed in the appeal.

You can't on one hand cry victim then try and manipulate a situation by attacking others but not allow them the right to defend themselves. She wouldn't speak to her Father so he played in her sandbox - the press. She then sues, wins, then faced with an appeal lies to a high court.. and frames it as a lapse of memory.. this added to the many falsehoods that came to light from that now infamous Oprah interview.. I'm just inclined to feel she doesn't care much for honesty or the privacy of others, and feels she can disparage whomever she wants in whatever way she chooses but no one is allowed to utter a word to challenge her.

Give me a break.

Totally agree.

Oprah was March, publication of Finding Freedom was August, so doesn’t look like either of those was the trigger for him changing his mind, unless it was a slow-burn after Oprah.

Maybe something to do with the bullying claims in June?

'Megxit’ is a misogynistic term = not OK (according to PH) A misogynistic reference by your wife to her step sister = OK'

'They really need their heads banging together or at the very least both getting on the same page'

I know! They are a hypocritical shambles. All glossy websites and podcasts but just keep cocking up. They need some media/pr training stat.

How tf can 'megxit' be misogynistic but and commenting on her dissbler half sister's parenting choices and ability isn't.

They've dropped so many clangers I'm really surprised there's any supporters left.

I honestly don't know why she sued. It was such an unimportant forgotten letter, which didn't even show her in a bad light. But her actions have now exposed a lot about their motivations which will come back to haunt them again and again.

Absolutely this.

She received huge public sympathy and compassion when her father sold that letter to the media, it was seen as the ultimate betrayal and most people were disgusted with her father.

I think all the court cases they've brought have been instigated by Harry - it's the real push button issue for him.

I agree. I think she was sold a pig in a poke and he just used her to further his own obsession.

I wonder if she'll take advice from him in future or just keep his future contribution as juggling balls outside the window.

I honestly don't know why she sued. It was such an unimportant forgotten letter, which didn't even show her in a bad light. But her actions have now exposed a lot about their motivations which will come back to haunt them again and again

Because on a narrow copyright case she had a very good case, which she ought to win. But her/her friends putting part of text into the public domain has complicated it considerably, and AN are going to want to have that thrashed out thoroughly.

And yes, what is coming out is unfortunately not enhancing their reputation.

Ironically the number of column inches about this is an absolute gift to the newspapers, H&M really are the gift that keep on giving for them.

I don’t think the MOS care about losing. They have unlimited funds. For them the high profile of this legal action and the insight into the grubby inner workings of the royal family that it brings are wins in themselves. I wonder if M&H realise this?

don’t think the MOS care about losing. They have unlimited funds. For them the high profile of this legal action and the insight into the grubby inner workings of the royal family that it brings are wins in themselves. I wonder if M&H realise this?

I expect this would have been part of the reasoning for advice not to sue - is it correct that 'the Palace' were against it, but they did it anyway? So they should realise it, because they were bound to have been told. Ur perhaps this is another area in which recollections vary?

On the other hand - the BRF will only step in if they think the institution has got something to lose by a trial going ahead. It might be that at this point they think the exposure hurts M&H far more than anyone else

You could well be right, cabingirl, but it doesn't allow for what tends to happen if H&M consider themselves thwarted in the slightest way - hence Oprah, Finding Freedom and all the rest

Allowing them to expose themselves is okay up to a point, but never forget Harry's the son of the future monarch, that William was unfortunately used as his mother's confidante, and that the two brothers were once pretty close

So who knows what Harry may have learned as he got older, and may since have shared with his wife as "proof" of how awful his family are?

@artquejtion

I honestly don't know why she sued. It was such an unimportant forgotten letter, which didn't even show her in a bad light. But her actions have now exposed a lot about their motivations which will come back to haunt them again and again.

Absolutely this.

She received huge public sympathy and compassion when her father sold that letter to the media, it was seen as the ultimate betrayal and most people were disgusted with her father.

Yes. The most ANL will lose is money. Nothing else will change. They would still run an article like the TM one but just get the contents of the letter across in another way.

Even if she wins again, she’s lost a whole lot more. Daily Mail printing a public apology to her is nothing compared to having to apologise to a court that you have misled them in a sworn statement. Daily Mail apology will be chip paper the next day. Her misleading the court will be used against her for a long time.

So who knows what Harry may have learned as he got older, and may since have shared with his wife as "proof" of how awful his family are?

I think this is the nub of it. I think they know he knows where the bodies are buried and have been trying to “manage” and not provoke him and Meghan. I think H is perfectly capable of attempting to take everyone down with him if he doesn’t get the outcomes he wants. I have wondered if this is the reason for the relentless pushing of W&K as the perfect couple and family. Trying to solidify public loyalty, so that they’ll stick with them even if any of the secrets come out.

It's not surprising that the Oprah interview and subsequent whisper campaign by Meghan about her staff being horrible to her made Knauf change his position. He might have liked Meghan well enough while he worked for her, but he also likes other members of the family, and he's probably personal friends with many other staff. Seeing Meghan throw so many people he cared about under the bus, and knowing that much of it was just factually false, would make anyone question their continued loyalty.

@EdithWeston
on a narrow copyright case she had a very good case, which she ought to win.

I understand the legal reason of why she sued, but you don't have to take cases even if you have an airtight case. Everyone knows that when you go to court, you risk more things coming out than you wanted. There's a reason why the RF ignore comments in the media.
Before suing, she had sympathy over her father's betrayal. But we now know her intention was to manipulate us over that letter to make us feel sorry for her. That sort of destroys our sympathy for her. So why, when the letter worked, did she sue over it? Madness.

@rubicscubicle

I don't think there is any excuse whatsoever for Meghan insisting the fact that Samantha Markle had three children by three fathers, and that she doesn't have custody of them, was published. It's completely irrelevant to the argument and it's deeply, deeply misogynistic.

and if it was tm jnr, surely the story would be that he is a father of 3 by 3 different mothers. So what is your beef here?

If Meghan attempted to cajole a reporter into treated the hypothetical fact that Tom Jr. had three children by three different women and had primary custody of none of them as some kind of proof that he was lying about anything to do with Meghan, that would be just as vile. Both because it's horrid to drag the children into their public mudslinging, and because the belief that a person's honesty should be assessed based on their reproductive choices is revolting.

Daily Mail apology will be chip paper the next day. Her misleading the court will be used against her for a long time

So, I suspect, will her comments about Samantha - and these from someone who claims to "champion women"
Nobody disputes that Meghan's had an awful lot to put up with, but she really didn't have to do any of this and now she'll have to bear the consequences around public opinion

I see the same thing had occurred to someone else, LondonWolf
It's been said in the past that there's no way Harry would ever countenance gut-spilling ... interesting how things turn out isn't it?

I think the RF have genuinely been trying to find away to separate business from family with regards to Harry. They love him so regardless of what he does they're always going to be softer on him than they should perhaps be.

I would be surprised if they weren't concerned about his mental health.

As for his wife, I'm baffled by her tbh. She implied that her miscarriage was due to stress and yet chose to do the Oprah interview, whilst pregnant, knowing that this would ramp up the scrutiny and no doubt cause added stress? Why would you do that to yourself?

It doesn't make much sense to me tbh.

They talk like they're kind, compassionate people who are benevolent benefactors just trying to fight injustice, but their actions tell a very different story.

@EdithWeston

I honestly don't know why she sued. It was such an unimportant forgotten letter, which didn't even show her in a bad light. But her actions have now exposed a lot about their motivations which will come back to haunt them again and again

Because on a narrow copyright case she had a very good case, which she ought to win. But her/her friends putting part of text into the public domain has complicated it considerably, and AN are going to want to have that thrashed out thoroughly.

And yes, what is coming out is unfortunately not enhancing their reputation.

I think it's another example of her inability to read the room and to try and control people's perception of her and what can and can't be printed about her.

She wants to support the narrative of poor me, the press are printing lies, i am a victim. She wanted to put across the invasion of privacy card.

She wants to control what they say and I will sue if they say anything I don't like. She doesn't seem to understand she is playing into their hands and that she won't be able to control what they say about her. Ever.

I think in the US media when she was an actress she was able to control what they said and put a positive spin on any story. She was able to tell 'her truth' and it was fine. But now every word she says can be document and checked and so she can be exploded as her truth not being the truth. She isn't able to control what the press say so wants to try snd play hardball by sueing them to try and prevent them from doing it anymore.

@HeddaGarbled and @madisonbridges

My recollection is that JK went to The Times with the allegations of Markle's bullying of Palace staff in the week before the Oprah interview was broadcast. My thinking then was that he anticipated an attack on the professionalism of the Palace staff he managed while Markle was a working Royal, and that he decided to get his side of the story out there.

It was shortly after that he resigned and moved on. So, he decided to come off the fence to defend himself and his staff. (And possibly to settle scores.)