Interesting analysis on social media about Meghan

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Interesting analysis but who could be paying for this concerted effort? It’s suggested that not only is it coordinated but the people doing it are paid to do so.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/ellievhall/bot-sentinel-meghan-markle-prince-harry-twitter

After looking at the data, that was his conclusion. And has been the conclusion from everyone else who looked at the data.

@amusedtodeath1

He owns the company (a company who are paid to gather and analyse data), it's paid for by a group of known H&M supporters and he is bias towards H&M.

It's so far from neutral it's a joke tbh, now I think about it.

Where does it say his company is funded by HaM supporters?. I thought he has done similar studies in attacks on various people before this report.

*It’s not that this isn’t happening to others. The point is the scale, expertise, unclear motive and that it appears to be the job, paid job of these people to do this. Also that this is match by them pushing positive content on Kate and William.

Can you point to another example where this one s happening to someone else*

JK Rowling has already been mentioned on this thread, but it’s worth reminding people that as well as facing targeted harassment, including tweeting pornographic pictures at her repeatedly whenever she tweets, she has been subject to repeated threats of both sexual violence and death.

There has also been similar work done on the pro-Sussexes tweeting networks, which have been used to harass and threaten British journalists en masse. A 2019 study by a consulting firm that undertakes social media research showed:

“89up CEO Mike Harris, Feldberg detailed their analysis in a report, “Is there a Duchess of Sussex bot network?”. 89up found “1,103 highly-connected Twitter accounts in a network who share content about the Duchess of Sussex obsessively.” While very few of those accounts appear to be entirely automated—classic bot accounts—Feldberg’s report found that “many have unusual features, suggesting there could be collusion or automation behind some of the accounts.”

www.macleans.ca/royalty/meghan-markles-twitter-bot-network-the-whole-thing-is-a-bit-insane/

So yes, it does happen to other people besides the Sussexes - it happens to people they don’t like, too.

It’s not that this isn’t happening to others. The point is the scale, expertise, unclear motive and that it appears to be the job, paid job of these people to do this. Also that this is match by them pushing positive content on Kate and William.
Can you point to another example where this one s happening to someone else

Don't Trump/Biden trolls behave in the same way? Or Sussex fans? They push positive content about their "idol" while writing threats about the other.

When has JK Rowlings had years on end of panels discussing her on Jeremy Vine, Loose Women, Lorraine, etc. When did GMB call her family to discuss her? Which reporters can you name that constantly, all the time report on her negative daily ?

Some things were said about her regarding gender issues yes, of late, but I know this for a few weeks.

Lots of people do get trolled every now and again and some in a more sustainable way than others, but not on the scale of MM.

Also you will find that the pro Sussex posters will have the same pattern as say, the Bieber, Style, Swift style. Posting about a person they like. That is totally different.
Also, those proSussex call out people and those who post hate on H&M call it harassment - no one else. Unlike when the parliament and legal women wrote open letters - they were subjective, but could clearly see something off.

As has already been stated Biden/Trump/Bojo are different as they are powerful world leaders, so it is natural for different people to have different views about them as their decisions impact people - H&M don't have any impact on daily lives, so this vitriol is very odd.

The suspicion of bots against MM is nothing new.

People have noticed the weird slant against her.

Sometimes, the bots have let things slip. Like the time they mistakenly posted an obviously prewritten 'review' on her elephant narration or the time they thought she would post pictures of Archie for mothers day - and infant she did not. The bots pressed send at the time without previewing if the info was correct. Sometimes they post the wrong prewritten to a different discussion.

Then there are the paid trolls.

You can love someone and post all day about them as seen with singers, but post all day about hate. Nah.........

Also you will find that the pro Sussex posters will have the same pattern as say, the Bieber, Style, Swift style. Posting about a person they like. That is totally different.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I've seen both sides post a mixture of adoration for their idol and contempt for the other side (The Royal Family) Are other fandoms posting death threats etc ?

Thank you, Serenster, that's very interesting to see a report on a network also using Meghan as a topic, but pushing anti-Meghan material.

I notice the network in your article also involves human-operated accounts (in fact, cyborg accounts: operated by both a human and a bot), highly connected with each other, and showing apparent organisation. A description not unlike that in the Bot Sentinel report.

This is interesting. As I say, I'm very behind on the disinformation world, but from what I learned at the time of the Cambridge Analytica scandal that is exactly what I'd expect to see from a disinformation operation for which the aim is disruption of some kind, and for which Meghan merely is a topic-du-jour.

These operations select topics where there is already some disagreement and attempt to gallop them to extremes. This increases general divisiveness, distrust and destabilisation.

The topic might be one where there's gain to the operator from one extreme "winning", but quite a lot of it is, "We don't care who wins but we'll pay to watch".

Some things were said about her regarding gender issues yes, of late, but I know this for a few weeks

“Some things”. Here’s but a tiny, tiny selection for you, since you obviously missed this.

Despicable.

But all of it in for one week in June 2020. Don't know how you can compare it to MM who has had this daily since 2017.

No, that just happens to be the date the examples were taken from rubicscubicle. As I said, you obviously have missed this.

Meghan is constantly hounded and criticized even when not seen or heard from. There are whole YouTube accounts that profit from the hate, there are definitely Royal reporters who have entertained horrible troll comments about her. This is still ongoing. Here on Mumsnet there were threads and threads that were dedicated to dissecting and bullying her . I remember being on LA and some American posters discussing the Mumsnet hate threads, heck there were even Mumsnet posters who used to lurk in LA and felt vindicated that not all black women like MM. Which of course is true , not all POC like her but they don’t spend hours & days and months targeting her and justifying the hate as fair criticism. I would call out any disinformation about any member of the RF if they experienced all that MM has being subjected to since 2017. Its ongoing, relentless and doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon. No wonder HaM don’t have Twitter, Instagram or even Facebook. I keep thinking that probably those who didn’t want her to be part of the RF will eventually tire and let go since she left Britain but nope seems like some want her gone gone, which is quite scary.

Urgh, typing fail above.

to see a report on a network also using Meghan as a topic, but pushing anti pro-Meghan material.

@Serenster

No, that just happens to be the date the examples were taken from rubicscubicle. As I said, you obviously have missed this.

As I have said, I have never once seen JK being discussed over and over on daytime shows. I did see the June trolling of her it was about gender issues, but I never saw front-page headlines or TV news going on and on about her for months or years on end. Where is this relentless trolling for 4yrs or so? Who are the reporters going on and on about her?

There are whole YouTube accounts that profit from the hate, there are definitely Royal reporters who have entertained horrible troll comments about her. This is still ongoing. Here on Mumsnet there were threads and threads that were dedicated to dissecting and bullying her . I remember being on LA and some American posters discussing the Mumsnet hate threads, heck there were even Mumsnet posters who used to lurk in LA and felt vindicated that not all black women like MM.

All this is very true.
The likes of Angela Levin repost the most absurd things about MM, like the baby bump, and even retweet posters who encourage people to go stab MM in the stomach to prove she is not really pregnant. Disgusting. And this person gets to write articles and gets called over and over again by the likes of GMB etc. to comment on H&M.

There was some very nasty stuff written about them here that's for sure, but from observation those comments are not allowed to stand and whole threads of nastiness from both "sides" have been removed.

The point is that no one here is hating on M&H and yet still other people's past crimes against MM are dragged into EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

If twitter is where it's all going down go tell them they're twats. I wouldn't disagree with you on the most part, but people are allowed to dislike M&H and very few of them are organised trolls. As I said there are asshats everywhere.

They can tell outrageous stories, often proven inaccurate about the RF, insinuate racism, etc., And we are not allowed to say that it's a shitty thing to do an interview slagging off your family when another family member is dying or just recently died.

I'm a hater because I feel that they should have cared more about an elderly lady's grief. I'm sorry but nothing they do now will make me forget how cruel that was.

@amusedtodeath1

I don't condone name calling or personal attacks in anyway. I try very hard not to do those things.

I have no idea if the data collection for this report is valid, I don't care enough to do the research, but assuming it is, interpretation of the data is obviously subject to personal bias. Bouzy has bias towards M&H, it was funded by others who support them.

In short this report has zero credibility.

Tell me you don't know how to rigorously research, evaluate and analyze data properly without telling me you don't know to rigorously research, evaluate and analyze data properly.

@rubicscubicle I seriously don't understand how Angela L. hasn't been denounced as a "journalist" already. She's obviously cavorting with professional trolls! It's so weird!

@JingsMahBucket I know way more about data analysis than I ever needed to, thanks. I take it you've nothing of value to add to the conversation, so you chose to go to personal.

I know how data can be manipulated. I'm not saying this has, but nothing about it gives me confidence that this can be taken as absolute fact.

None of that will ever make me feel sorry for them. They started with the negative public statements, interviews, etc. If they'd kept their private family squabbles to themselves, there wouldn't be half as many people who doubt them.

Maybe if they understood and admitted just what a mistake Oprah was, people might be a bit more forgiving.

They're harsh and unforgiving towards anyone who doesn't toe the party line, but then they get all upset when people give fair criticism of their behaviour. It's one rule for them another for everyone else.

They really are their own worst enemy.

Meghan was harassed and attacked when she was a working member of the RF, that’s before O 🤷‍♀️ . I don’t think anyone deserves to have threats like her unborn baby being being stabbed to check if it was fake ( this happened in 2019) . Yep I felt sorry for her, & would feel sorry for anyone facing . I don’t think this report is about the O interview at all.

They started with the negative public statements, interviews, etc

When was that? They were getting negative comments before they were even engaged! On MN too, I remember the threads criticising them.

Maybe if they understood and admitted just what a mistake Oprah was, people might be a bit more forgiving

No, wouldn't happen. There are people who will never forgive them for anything, who will criticise them when it's totally unwarranted. If they were to say the OW was a mistake (and I don't think they should) they would be annihilated on here. If MM can be criticised endlessly for the way she holds her bump or carries Archie, or reads him a book, it's hardly likely the army of detractors would accept anything from them. She's criticised for her mothering on a forum for mothers so it's hardly likely

I've said it many a time... it's no wonder they left. What a sensible decision that was, and as the RF struggle to make themselves squeaky clean and relevant in today's society, that will become more and more apparent.

@Labloverrr
I can’t on this thread to see if the two relentless Meghan defenders would be ‘on it’ and sure enough they’re on it, ready and waiting…

Isn't this a bit contradictory- the first person to respond to the OP was a very regular anti M&H poster and several other regular ant's followed. I assume one of the people you refer to as fans is Rousette who didn't join the conversation until Wednesday evening. Not too long before yourself. I wonder if you were really the one ready and waiting ? It was a supportive thread title so caught my attention. What was your reason? I'm only asking because it seems that others are ready and waiting but you apparently are not. Everything you accuse supporters of is evidenced in your own posts . Becoming indignant at being thought of as racist when you slam this woman at every opportunity- for absolutely no reason but at the kind of level you wouldn't do to a convicted pedophile or his associates. what is it really about Meghan that's different for you which makes her ambitions and expectations any worse than others in the public eye? What is she doing that others don't? As I said I can understand having the capacity to be over invested if you have a genuine interest - but the relentless battering of a person you dislike on every positive thread that's put up! Why don't you just ignore the thread - or just stick to The negative threads - then you can have your discussions with likeminded MN who won't think you are racist.

@PreparationPreparationPrep

I’ve commented on one other thread about Meghan and this thread came up a few days later. Have your investigations into users posts included others on this thread? That may help you to understand.

I assure you they’ve ‘slammed’ posters right back and are unbalanced in their support for Meghan. I wouldn’t expect less from a poster like you implying I’m racist. Hypocritical and typical response.

@PreparationPreparationPrep

Another poster confusing a dislike of Meghan with racism and using it to imply it. This is awful!