Will Sophie take the title Princess

[Viviennemary]

Sophie will be 18 next month and will have the choice of whether to be styled HRH Princess Sophie or not. It was her parents decision not to have her styled thus even though she could be as the grandchild of the monarch. Not sure but I thought probably not. But if she was to become a working royal opening town halls and so on the title Princess would look better on the plaques.

@Roussette

While you are at, why don’t don’t you give us a full run down of all the Cambridge staff with names and positions as you seem to know so much about it

Sally... I hate using this phrase in normal circumstances but I'll make an exception for you...
'Google is your friend'

I think that's a bit off.

You brought the assertion to the thread - you should be able to show the evidence

You brought the assertion to the thread - you should be able to show the evidence

You obviously haven't read my replies to Sally.
Perhaps do that before you jump in?

@Kendodd

All this criticism of W and K for being lazy! If I were them I'd be proper lazy. What's the point of being royal and rich if not to have all your minions running round after you while you laze around.

but they are only rich because they are part of the RF, not because they have earned it,. surely in this day and age it is only right that they should work for their money. even really rich people normally do something.

Bit harsh. These two are absolutely everywhere at the moment, they aren’t exactly slacking.

They are "everywhere" to detract from Will's uncle being a nonce.

What they do is not work.

"Working royal" is an oxymoron.

Real work involves accountability, performance appraisals and the possibility of getting a P45 if you're not up to scratch.

You have to generate a net result for your effort.

The RF are basically self-employed influencers, so in that sense they have a job. BUT, unlike real influencers who've built up their market and business through having a particular talent or knowledge, the RF is not only taxpayer-funded but has also built its credibility purely on the myth of royal specialness, which is now crumbling away.

Their "product" is essentially worthless, as it's built on an illusion, which has been successful for a time but is ultimately bound to fail.

The RF's "jobs" are not sustainable, they are taking out more than they put in.

The RF are basically self-employed influencers

That is an interesting comparison, I'm inclined to agree. No accountability, we are expected, strongly encouraged, brainwshed by over saturation into buying into them

They are aided and abetted by the press except when they ddcide not to like you. It drove me mad when I used to read the Queen Mother was the nation's favourite granny. I never met anyone who had a good word to say about her. By all accounts she was a nasty selfish old bat.

Private Secretaries to each of them, Advisors ditto, Communication Secretaries ditto, Deputy communication secretaries ditto, Digital managers ditto, official spokespersons ditto, household staff at KP and Amner Hall, Nanny, housekeepers, Chefs. Then there is a security detail, and so on... And?

derxa if you care to read my post at 07.39 it will explain the point I was making.
Hope that answers your 'and'

@Roussette

derxa if you care to read my post at 07.39 it will explain the point I was making. Hope that answers your 'and'

Do you think all their staff are sitting there twiddling their thumbs? Why employ staff and pay their salaries if there's nothing to do?

so tell me please. what have you seen them doing?
I have seen PW doing the ES programme. Kate meeting Ant and Dec(for that she has my sympathy)
what have I missed.

I never said they were?
I was answering a post that said they were doing their own prep for an engagement.
They have 'staff' to do that

what have I missed

Tennis!

@Roussette

I never said they were? I was answering a post that said they were doing their own prep for an engagement. They have 'staff' to do that

And? Do you think that pre-engagement the staff member just shoves a piece of paper through the car door before W&K leave?

Do you think all their staff are sitting there twiddling their thumbs? Why employ staff and pay their salaries if there's nothing to do?

But their staff actually work, and have transferable skills that could be put to very good use elsewhere in a way that doesn't drain the taxpayer and instead creates value for the rest of society.

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints

Do you think all their staff are sitting there twiddling their thumbs? Why employ staff and pay their salaries if there's nothing to do?

But their staff actually work, and have transferable skills that could be put to very good use elsewhere in a way that doesn't drain the taxpayer and instead creates value for the rest of society.

Perhaps their staff enjoy their work and find it worthwhile. No one's forcing them to work for the royal family

derxa
I honestly have no idea what your point is.

I will try and explain mine.

Someone said they were doing their own prep for engagements.
I pointed out that would not be the case given the numbers of staff supporting them.

Now you say 'and?'

I can only guess that you mean they have to read and understand the piece of paper whenever it is given to them? Is that your point? You don't explain anything in your posts, just lots of 'and'?

I am trying to answer your posts but having great difficulty because I don't understand what it is you are saying and have to just guess at it.

Maybe it's best to leave this between us here because it is boring for other posters

But their staff actually work, and have transferable skills that could be put to very good use elsewhere in a way that doesn't drain the taxpayer and instead creates value for the rest of society

Exactly. And I bet there's a lot of 'fire fighting' with whatever news reports come out that day.

@MindyStClaire

I hope it means we will see less of Beatrice and Eugenie, who, as a previous poster says, only use the princess titles because their father is a grabby attention seeker.

A couple of people have said this but much as it pains me to stick up for Andrew, it isn't fair at all. Beatrice and Eugenie are grandchildren of the monarch in the male line and as such are automatically princesses. At the time they were born there would have been zero expectation of Andrew's children being anything other than princes and princesses and I don't think there were any previous cases of people being entitled to use that style but choosing not to do so. Certainly none recently.

The unusual case here is Edward's children, who are also automatically a princess and a prince. Obviously they were born well after Andrew's children and the mood had shifted by then so their parents chose not to use the title (but still use lower titles!) and have raised them to expect to work for a living. I mean, the whole concept of hereditary monarchy and hereditary titles is ludicrous but it's what we have and the rules are set out and Andrew and his children have followed them in this regard.

Incidentally, Sophie is also a princess - Princess Edward.

Fair enough. I stand corrected. I was probably just remembering about Andrew wanting the taxpayer to pay for his daughters' security. (I still think he's an arrogant buffoon though).

I also think they're right not to jump straight into doing a lot because once they start there is no stopping, and no retirement likely until their 90s. I do think they're obviously doing more and more with each year. this exactly.

You run a family business. You had to take over when your own kids were very young, in fact before they were all born. Your grandson is set to take over in time and you can see with hindsight and choice that he CAN enjoy his kids more than yo did. He will work until he's dead but right now you're in a position to give him time. His father, your son agrees. He didn't get the same flexibility, and they've paid the cost.

Wouldn't you?

I've just seen that The Queen has been advised by doctors not to go to N.I as she was supposed to. She has been advised to rest for a few days. Am I the only one that thinks she looks as though she has lost a fair bit weight and has suddenly looked her age.

Yes I do think security, titles and working royal status get conflated in the media but are actually all separate considerations. Titles are automatic (but don't have to be used), working royal status is a recent thing but a useful shorthand for people who do royal enagagements rather than some other occupation and are close to the throne, and security should be provided to anyone who needs it imo.

Someone said they were doing their own prep for engagements. What do you think prep is? They have to digest information and understand the protocols and procedures in a given situation. Why is that hard to fathom?

I am quite capable of 'fathoming' info thank you, there's no need to be rude.

Having all the donkey work done to present a speech or a presentation to a number of people is luxury. No starting from scratch, no pulling together of information from different sources, no researching for hours and days in advance, no waiting on other people to provide information to enable you to put together your presentation. No chasing up of those people for the information you need, then panicing because they're off sick or something! (that bit I remember so well.) It's very different to just digesting what has been all done for you, I could do that easily, I would've loved to have it all done for me when I was working...

@Roussette

I am quite capable of 'fathoming' info thank you, there's no need to be rude.

Having all the donkey work done to present a speech or a presentation to a number of people is luxury. No starting from scratch, no pulling together of information from different sources, no researching for hours and days in advance, no waiting on other people to provide information to enable you to put together your presentation. No chasing up of those people for the information you need, then panicing because they're off sick or something! (that bit I remember so well.) It's very different to just digesting what has been all done for you, I could do that easily, I would've loved to have it all done for me when I was working...

I understand all of that but the tiniest mistake in a public engagement by a member of the royal family has the potential to cause great offence and headlines all over the media.

Yes. And I agree with you there totally. They have to be perfect and I would hope their aides are well tuned in to possible pitfalls in advance.