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Will Sophie take the title Princess

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Viviennemary · 16/10/2021 12:50

Sophie will be 18 next month and will have the choice of whether to be styled HRH Princess Sophie or not. It was her parents decision not to have her styled thus even though she could be as the grandchild of the monarch. Not sure but I thought probably not. But if she was to become a working royal opening town halls and so on the title Princess would look better on the plaques.

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PurpleOkapi · 20/10/2021 03:13

[quote julieca]@PurpleOkapi I am low paid, that is not the sort of work I do. But anyone who works would not see that as a hard days work. Let's get real here.[/quote]
As someone else said, it depends on what the engagement consists of. But if each one takes an hour, and they aren't all in the same place, that's a pretty long day. And those things can run a lot longer than an hour. Plus I would imagine they're supposed to be giving a speech or talking about something different for each engagement, so they've got to prep for all that and keep it all straight. It sounds more like a politician in the run-up to election day than any kind of normal job, and that's pretty grueling. If we're just talking about a few phone calls with colleagues/subordinates, then of course that's different. I think we're just envisioning different things here.

SleepingStandingUp · 20/10/2021 03:24

But instead they are casting around for someone else who can be persuaded to waste their life covering what W and C should be doing anyway. so you have a source to show W and K are casting around looking for someone to shirk their work onto?? Or just a mindless bitch about them?

I do wonder how much say they get in their work load. If the Queen or PC says right you need to do X extra appointments etc how much they could refuse? Or if they want them to have time now to enjoy their kids before the real hard work kicks in? Would Anne happily give up a load of her work to Kate or would she tell PC to bugger off and not touch her causes?

The assumption on MN is W and K just refusing to do anything that doesn't suit their lifestyle of sorting in their pajamas berating the Nanny for bringing the children near but I think they just know now if the time to focus on the kids, because they have that luxiry

SleepingStandingUp · 20/10/2021 03:30

As for Lady Louise, I'd imagine her parents will expect her to go to University and then work for a while. In 15 years time when King William is on the throne and the older relatives are all dead, he may need to rope in a few cousins to help out but George will be early 20s, as will Charlotte.

PurpleOkapi · 20/10/2021 03:48

I do wonder how much say they get in their work load. If the Queen or PC says right you need to do X extra appointments etc how much they could refuse?

To hear Harry tell it, not much. Wasn't he just complaining about being sent here and there against his will, and how awful it all was, and how it wasn't fair that they made him do it and not someone else?

JustLyra · 20/10/2021 05:39

But instead they are casting around for someone else who can be persuaded to waste their life covering what W and C should be doing anyway

If they were considering having Louise as a working royal (and I think there’s no chance) they’d mostly likely be looking for someone to cover what Andrew, Harry and Meghan would have been doing.

Being three adults short is potentially far more problematic for them than any accused laziness from William and Kate.

MagpieMary · 20/10/2021 06:58

@SleepingStandingUp

But instead they are casting around for someone else who can be persuaded to waste their life covering what W and C should be doing anyway. so you have a source to show W and K are casting around looking for someone to shirk their work onto?? Or just a mindless bitch about them?

I do wonder how much say they get in their work load. If the Queen or PC says right you need to do X extra appointments etc how much they could refuse? Or if they want them to have time now to enjoy their kids before the real hard work kicks in? Would Anne happily give up a load of her work to Kate or would she tell PC to bugger off and not touch her causes?

The assumption on MN is W and K just refusing to do anything that doesn't suit their lifestyle of sorting in their pajamas berating the Nanny for bringing the children near but I think they just know now if the time to focus on the kids, because they have that luxiry

I think William is very aware of how important it is to nurture his children and give them stability. It also has to be borne in mind that they can never retire. They’ll be working till they die, like the Queen and Charles.
Roussette · 20/10/2021 07:39

have you actually looked into just how much they are currently doing? Perhaps the least lazy royals

Have you looked??
Two phone calls in a day and a gap of four days is not hard work! 8 weeks of two parents off up in Balmoral is not hard work! There might be a day with a lot of blurb about an engagement out and about, then next day is one zoom. I dont call that the least lazy royals. They have all the resources at their fingertips to do more, from aides to nannies, to housekeepers.

But if each one takes an hour, and they aren't all in the same place, that's a pretty long day.

But they aren't like that! 'Held a meeting via telephone' is up there frequently. Lots of blurb about who and what, but basically it's a phone call !

It's infrequent to have what you're talking about unless they're out on a tour somewhere

Plus I would imagine they're supposed to be giving a speech or talking about something different for each engagement, so they've got to prep for all that and keep it all straight

Do you honestly think they do all their own prep? Do you think they're on google researching like mad with a deadline looming? Come off it!
All this is done for them, they have hundreds of staff doing the donkey work.

Mominatrix · 20/10/2021 07:48

@julieca

And if this does happen, it will be because William and Catherine are too lazy to take on many engagements so have persuaded an 18-year old to step in and take on some of their work. An 18-year-old who won't truly understand what she was letting herself in for.
And you know this how?
SallyLockheart · 20/10/2021 07:50

Hundreds of staff? Source please.

Roussette · 20/10/2021 08:04

Haha... well done, picking up on my exaggeration!

OK... let's go with this then... not hundreds but everything catered for. And my 'hundreds' was applied to all the RF, not just them.

Private Secretaries to each of them, Advisors ditto, Communication Secretaries ditto, Deputy communication secretaries ditto, Digital managers ditto, official spokespersons ditto, household staff at KP and Amner Hall, Nanny, housekeepers, Chefs. Then there is a security detail, and so on...

Roussette · 20/10/2021 08:10

I apologise... I forget an equerry, most important, and of course hair stylist and all that guff.

MindyStClaire · 20/10/2021 08:40

I hope it means we will see less of Beatrice and Eugenie, who, as a previous poster says, only use the princess titles because their father is a grabby attention seeker.

A couple of people have said this but much as it pains me to stick up for Andrew, it isn't fair at all. Beatrice and Eugenie are grandchildren of the monarch in the male line and as such are automatically princesses. At the time they were born there would have been zero expectation of Andrew's children being anything other than princes and princesses and I don't think there were any previous cases of people being entitled to use that style but choosing not to do so. Certainly none recently.

The unusual case here is Edward's children, who are also automatically a princess and a prince. Obviously they were born well after Andrew's children and the mood had shifted by then so their parents chose not to use the title (but still use lower titles!) and have raised them to expect to work for a living. I mean, the whole concept of hereditary monarchy and hereditary titles is ludicrous but it's what we have and the rules are set out and Andrew and his children have followed them in this regard.

Incidentally, Sophie is also a princess - Princess Edward.

SallyLockheart · 20/10/2021 08:40

So exaggeration = made up lies?

SallyLockheart · 20/10/2021 08:42

Roussette. While you are at, why don’t don’t you give us a full run down of all the Cambridge staff with names and positions as you seem to know so much about it

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/10/2021 08:46

It's nearly half term, and nearly the birthday when Lady Louise can make a choice independently of her parents.

I hope she takes the Queen for a nice long carriage ride and they come back with decision made.

As she is Princess Louise by birth, presumably she couid adopt its use at any point? I don't think she'll do it right now, and quite possibly never

WinnieTheW0rm · 20/10/2021 08:48

@SallyLockheart

So exaggeration = made up lies?
Exaggerating to give a false and misleading effect could be called lying. Though usually it's just recognised as hyperbole or some other mendacious rhetorical device
User527294627 · 20/10/2021 08:48

@julieca

And if this does happen, it will be because William and Catherine are too lazy to take on many engagements so have persuaded an 18-year old to step in and take on some of their work. An 18-year-old who won't truly understand what she was letting herself in for.
Bit harsh. These two are absolutely everywhere at the moment, they aren’t exactly slacking.
Serenster · 20/10/2021 09:03

Private Secretaries to each of them, Advisors ditto, Communication Secretaries ditto, Deputy communication secretaries ditto, Digital managers ditto, official spokespersons ditto, household staff at KP and Amner Hall, Nanny, housekeepers, Chefs. Then there is a security detail, and so on...

As I see it though, the fact that there is a need for them to have households of this size rather indicates that there is an awful lot of behind the scenes work to be done, rather than none at all. I presume you imagine all these people are busy each day doing something?Inevitably those things that they are doing have been delegated downwards to be performed, and their output will in turn be delivered upwards for approval and action.

I have always presumed that their offices operate like the offices of a CEO for big organisations. The CEO is the “face” of the organisation, and so the one who fronts up to meetings and engagements, with the expectations that they will be well-prepared and say/do the right things. They receive every a mountain of correspondence and requests everyday, which gets filtered down to their teams to respond to, but they still need to consider them and provide instructions for a good number of them. They will get detailed briefings for most engagements, and it is their responsibility to get up to speed with them (feedback from people at engagements suggests they do this well, by the way).

The letter the Queen wrote in response to the Oldie Award that came out yesterday is a good example of this kind of process. I do not for a moment believe that the Queen sat down and typed that letter herself. But I do believe that she would have discussed what response she wanted to make in a regular meeting with the staff member who handles her correspondence (a CEO would typically do this daily with one of their team), who then produces the draft, which the Queen then approves. It will then be printed off and placed in her folder of correspondence to be hand-addressed and signed, as her letters typically are. Some correspondence she does hand write herself (they all do - plenty of examples are out there). That kind of process takes up a couple of hours a day most days.

Then there’s the fact that we know that they have a supervisory capacity over their staff, even though they wouldn’t get involved in the day to day nitty gritty. The decision to split the Royal Foundations that came from the top is an example of this, as is the smaller decisions about how their houses and offices are run - Prince Charles having around half of his energy consumption coming from renewable sources etc.

Big, busy offices spin off a lot of work for their principals. Nothing I have seen of the way the Royals operate suggest it’s any different for the most senior ones. None of this is spending 8 hours a day down the pit, off course it’s not. But it’s not like many of us are doing work like that these days either.

Viviennemary · 20/10/2021 09:09

Good point about Sophie also being a Princess because she's married to Prince Edward. I'd forgotten about that rule. I wonder if it says it on her passport. Occupation as Princess of the United Kingdom. That does sound quite grand. Its whats on Kate's. I don't think William and Kate are lazy at all.

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Viviennemary · 20/10/2021 09:13

But I agree with Roussette that they have a lot of support in the way of staff and everything arranged for them. No worries about who is picking the kids up from school. All travel arranged. People to make sure everything runs smoothly. Queuing for petrol? I doubt it.

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Kendodd · 20/10/2021 09:15

All this criticism of W and K for being lazy!
If I were them I'd be proper lazy. What's the point of being royal and rich if not to have all your minions running round after you while you laze around.

SpindelWhorl · 20/10/2021 09:22

'Occupation - Princess' is a bewildering anachronism to me, but then I'm thinking what else would Kate put? (We could run a competition I suppose.)

MindyStClaire · 20/10/2021 09:23

@Kendodd

All this criticism of W and K for being lazy! If I were them I'd be proper lazy. What's the point of being royal and rich if not to have all your minions running round after you while you laze around.
I know! My eldest is about the same age as Louis and manys a time I've thought to myself "I bet Kate isn't bloody doing this" as I pace the floors or clean up sick. Imagine being able to choose just how much of the drudgery you did - so maybe you think the teething baby who's up all night needs his mum, but in the morning you can hand off to nanny and get a nap or a walk in peace to clear your head. And you're definitely not worrying about the laundry, which magically reappears washed and ironed (ironed! Couldn't tell you when I last wore something that had been ironed) back in the drawer.

I also think they're right not to jump straight into doing a lot because once they start there is no stopping, and no retirement likely until their 90s. I do think they're obviously doing more and more with each year.

Roussette · 20/10/2021 09:29

@SallyLockheart

Oh do give over with your point scoring, it really does you no favours and is pathetic.

I will repeat again... I was applying the 'hundreds' to the RF, you chose to see it differently and go 'Aha... she's lying', gotcha'!

At least I have the grace to come back and explain.

Roussette · 20/10/2021 09:30

While you are at, why don’t don’t you give us a full run down of all the Cambridge staff with names and positions as you seem to know so much about it

Sally... I hate using this phrase in normal circumstances but I'll make an exception for you...
'Google is your friend'