Meghan’s birthday video

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I like the idea and I like the video. (Not that keen on the big desk) And I though MM looked...alive!

Not sure who the other woman was. But there was good chemistry.

But I don't think he's correct to say PP receives more abuse than any other politician

@AnnunciataZ
It's not even that.
It's more abuse than any other public figure!
That could include Meghan

Priori Patel to me is like Clarence Thomas Us supreme judge & Candace Owens

Yes to this. Very much so

Meant to say Priti not Priori lol

Oh don't start me on Melania and her chain migration that old Trumpy stopped once her parents and sister were safely ensconsed in the US

[quote Bovrilly]@PreparationPreparationPrep
So when you said people were being disingenuous because Marcus Rashford doesn't rock the boat, you meant he does rock the boat? I don't get it.[/quote]
No @Bovrilly he doesn't rock the boat and you very well know that. But ....continue - I doubt he would describe himself as someone who rocks the boat either. All he did was miss a goal and the MP found a way to abuse him. I don't call his tenacity and perseverance in getting food to vulnerable people rocking the boat - I see it as someone who used his platform to help others . Doing what he can and doing it well. Success doesn't mean he rocks the boat. but maybe through your lens you see him as someone rocking the boat. He could I don't doubt he is capable but I'm sure he and his mum are well aware of the abuse they will suffer if they do. So they do what they do "in their lane" as a PP mentioned. When he rocks the boat it will mean standing out and up to the elite and RF who absorb so much wealth disproportionately and offer nothing in return except a system that at best keeps people living from paycheck to paycheck. for them the status quo is preferable. that's what I mean by rocking the boat - and would you honestly want to see that? I would but I'm not sure some are ready for that. Many including the tabloids I suspect would prefer the MR that you see now? So you are welcome to twist my words as you please and you may genuinely believe that MR for you is someone who "rocks the boat" but in my view he does what he does well because he doesn't!

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@Zuluqueen

I remember the phrase ‘pulling up the ladder behind them’ - used in conjunction with Melania Trunp

PP and others benefited from open borders but have decided it was all down to their own hard work and want to create laws and policies making it harder for others to enter and remain in the country legally.

I’m amazed to hear first generation immigrants voting republican.[/quote]
It’s always sad when this happens. I think Clarance Thomas benefited from Affirmative Action he is now a Supreme Court judge and then compared affirmative action to Jim Crow😕. Candace Owens with the help of the NAACP sued a school because she was racially abused & after she criticized the same organization that helped & called black people having a victim mentality. Priti’s parents were Indian Ugandans who faced persecution from Idi & now she calls footballers who kneel performers or whatever. I mean make it make sense

'Priti’s parents were Indian Ugandans who faced persecution from Idi & now she calls footballers who kneel performers or whatever.'

Patel said she didn't support people taking part in what she thought was gesture politics. She also widely condemned the racist abuse aimed at the footballers. Tbh getting back to this thread actions speak louder than words or gestures. The footballers would do better to boycott Qatar, a country that has uses actual slave labour.

She is allowed to have an opinion on 'taking the knee'.

@AnnunciataZ

One comment about Diane Abbot on MN that has stood out for me over the years has been someone who said that when Corbyn won the leadership contest, DA was "strutting around like the secretary from the typing pool who's been sleeping with the boss". I have never seen anything on MN about Priti Patel that comes close to that. It's always about her policies. But DA, Meghan and Serena Williams form the triumvirate of black women Mumsnet loves to hate.

Serena Williams?! Where ? When? What is there bad that anyone can say about Serena?

This thread is taking a horrible turn.
Listing BAME people and basing their worth on how they rate in terms of their servitude towards other BAME people.

She is allowed to have an opinion on 'taking the knee'

It was a bad opinion as the kick back on it demonstrated.

Serena has been abused racially endlessly. Appalling cartoons of her

I've not personally seen that on here about Serena Williams either. I'd be genuinely interested to read. She is up there in my top ten list of most inspirational women.

I could link but really don't want to amplify it.

Typical of mumsnet to see threads descend into racism. But hey those who expressed racist tropes will say they are not being racist.

I agree, if they gave back their titles there'd be less room for criticism. A lot of the criticism is legitimate when they hold on to their titles though. It isn't unreasonable to ask ''do we need them to tell us to look after the environment'' for example. It can't be a shock to them that they are going to be criticised for the various lucrative deals that embarrass the RF when they hold on to their titles. They should want to give the titles back.

@JaniieJones

'Priti’s parents were Indian Ugandans who faced persecution from Idi & now she calls footballers who kneel performers or whatever.'

Patel said she didn't support people taking part in what she thought was gesture politics. She also widely condemned the racist abuse aimed at the footballers. Tbh getting back to this thread actions speak louder than words or gestures. The footballers would do better to boycott Qatar, a country that has uses actual slave labour.

She is allowed to have an opinion on 'taking the knee'.

Her comparing the knee to gesture politics thus getting kudos form racists meant those same footballers then faced racism. No wonder they didn’t believe her when she called out the abuse they faced after. She plays to her audience and they love her for it. There are a lot of Priti Patels in all walks of life, BAME, POC or whatever who make racists and bigoted people feel okay in their views. WTF is gesture politics anyways when the England team clearly explained why they take the knee?. She could have just sat this one out but she didn’t .. she chose to please her audience . Like I said just because Priti is BAME (hate this phrase) doesn’t mean she understands & has emphathy for black people like the footballers who had been taking the knee. She can’t have it both ways, please the right people and call out racism when it eventually happens Meh .

Ps of course Priti is allowed an opinion.. we have heard her loud and clear. Nobody muzzled her

@JaniieJones

'Priti’s parents were Indian Ugandans who faced persecution from Idi & now she calls footballers who kneel performers or whatever.'

Patel said she didn't support people taking part in what she thought was gesture politics. She also widely condemned the racist abuse aimed at the footballers. Tbh getting back to this thread actions speak louder than words or gestures. The footballers would do better to boycott Qatar, a country that has uses actual slave labour.

She is allowed to have an opinion on 'taking the knee'.

Lol at the footballers boycotting Quatar.So if they don’t boycott it does that mean they don’t face racism at home?. What did we just witness a few ago?

@Zuluqueen

Priori Patel to me is like Clarence Thomas Us supreme judge & Candace Owens. They benefited from something due to their race & disadvantage at one point but now that they have made it they have no emphathy for black people who face barriers due to their race or where they come from. Priti’s parents fled Uganda because of a tyrant and were welcomed here but now she has no sympathy for those fleeing the same thing. Just because she is a BAME does not mean she has shown empathy to say a windrush victims, refugees and recently black footballers facing racism.

Of course I don’t agree with the abuse & misogyny she has been subjected to. But one would think she would be understanding to the plight of her fellow brown/ black folk fleeing war.

@Zuluqueen completely agree with you. It’s beyond belief that someone could benefit from a sympathetic refugee policy ie towards Ugandan Asians but be completely cold hearted to people in similar positions.

@PearlFriday

I agree, if they gave back their titles there'd be less room for criticism. A lot of the criticism is legitimate when they hold on to their titles though. It isn't unreasonable to ask ''do we need them to tell us to look after the environment'' for example. It can't be a shock to them that they are going to be criticised for the various lucrative deals that embarrass the RF when they hold on to their titles. They should want to give the titles back.

I always wonder when people ask for them to return their titles whether they would say the same if M were white. Could it be the black blood running through her and the children that they think will be removed from the RF history I f the titles are handed back. They have not been cut off, but chose to Leave the service, don't you think this would have happened by now if HM and Charles thought it was the right thing to do. I know MN is for discussion but this is injected in any thread about M&H - it is such a tired piece now, along with name the racist.

As I said... giving back the titles will shine a light on other Royals. It will not happen.

No @Bovrilly he doesn't rock the boat and you very well know that.

@PreparationPreparationPrep You said he doesn't rock the boat. I think he does rock the boat. He's a young man in his 20s with no experience of politics who humiliated the government into a U turn on a policy they said they wouldn't U turn on. When I pointed out that this shows he does rock the boat, you agreed. But now you're back to saying he doesn't? I don't get it.

@Bovrilly
He does rock the boat though - he forced the government into a humiliating U turn.^*
And look at the abuse he got from the MP. When he didn't get the goal!*^

That is my response to you saying he did force the gov into a humiliating u- turn. But continue to play with words if that's your thing.

'always wonder when people ask for them to return their titles'

It'll never happen anyway. Many others have behaved equally as appallingly and kept theirs. The Queen wouldn't remove them, he is the future King's son however petulantly he behaves. It would feed their persecution complex anyway.

Far more amusing to see them have the grasping titles pushed and displayed at every opportunity. As always it makes a mockery of their 'the grandiosity means nothing to us dahhhhling' crap.

I think like a pp said it’s very easy to get a “skewed view” of Meghan and Harry’s relationships with the RF and the British public based on the press?

As much as I love you all and forever have mumsnet tattooed on my heart, we’re not actually the “whole public”? Nor the press.

Lots of people don’t comment/discuss/participate in comments section on newspapers.

Every charity Harry and Meghan have worked with directly seems delighted and then some with them - if you actually see their twitter feeds (rather than tabloid distortion) they’re all very happy to have them as patrons?

The military wives choir tweeted a birthday message for Meghan. They both got a standing ovation at the last military event they attended.

So many British designers and small businesses have made profit and made jobs from the “Meghan connection”.

Smartworks looks absolutely great and is going from strength to strength and the Hubb cookbook was a bestseller (that reminds me I need to try some recipes from there. Though the one I like - green rice- isn’t veggie )

Harry has plenty of friends in the country and family members he is close to. I’m sure Meghan has tonnes of posh well-off contacts in London she made through things like the vogue work.

The behaviour of the BM is typical abuser behaviour - claiming their targets are isolated and at war with everyone when actually they’re clearly not?

So I don’t think they necessarily need to relinquish the titles and connections.

Though to be honest it must be tempting to just make fuckloads more money and just cut all ties and start buying super yachts