Harry in the UK

[Mummy194]

Well Harry is looking quite good. Suntanned and healthy. The glow of new parent perhaps. Just seen his video on Diana awards and he looked so happy when visiting Wellchild too.

I'm sure his charities were happy to keep in touch with him.

www.wellchild.org.uk/2021/06/30/remarkable-young-people-and-professionals-from-across-the-uk-receive-national-wellchild-award-from-the-duke-of-sussex/

www.instagram.com/dianaaward/

“ The recently publicised hiring policy was from the 60's - things have changed dramatically in the world and in the royal household over the years - thank goodness.”

So who are the senior management from minority communities in the RF? And we know that volunteers , low level and admin support staff are often pulled in from minority communities while senior management and the decision makers tend to remain white. This in itself is a form of perpetuating racism.

As context, London is approximately 40% BAME. What % of Rf senior management are BAME?

Hey Roussette, crossposted!

@Gorgeouslilgirl

Ditto!

Well.... as of the latest Report a few weeks ago, the percentage of employees from ethnically diverse backgrounds stands at 8.5%. This of course includes cleaners, and low paid staff, no idea on senior staff. Very small percentage undoubtedly.

As far as William and KP... they declined to release their staff diversity figures. One can only assume that as the Queen has done, as above, Charles has done (8%), the figures for W&K's KP staff are not good.

And of course, Palace staff are not protected from race discrimination because the 1968 exemption still stands.

The Palace acknowledges it must do better.

alternativeafrica.com/2021/07/04/prince-charles-promotes-most-senior-black-aide-nigerian-eva-omaghomi-to-improve-diversity-in-royal-households/

Let's hope the royals can do better. The reporting on this hasn't helped though, as the Guardian's piece didn't make it at all clear that it was a late 1960s situation they were describing. Similarly, 2000 is now over twenty years ago.

Many organisations still talk the talk but don't walk the walk on diversity and equality. The latest Private Eye that I referred to on another of these threads reported on how Barclays were using tons of shiny happy messages about equality for Pride month, but still have an absolutely shocking gender pay gap. Talk is cheap.

Anyone done the same analysis on Archwell? I would hope they'd want to set a good example in hiring people of colour. I am not aware of any of their big hires being anything but white. Can someone enlarge on this or correct me if needed?

Good for him, perhaps it will set a trend. Not sure how I feel about the last paragraph though....

In an illustration of the trust placed in her by Prince Charles, she was asked to accompany him on a visit to Jesus House Church in London less than 48 hours after Prince Harry and Meghan Markle made allegations of racism against the Royal Family during their interview with Oprah Winfrey

@Cacacoisfarraige

I’m not excusing racism I’m just pointing out the difference between racists and people who inadvertently say racist things or things that others might regard as racist.

I had to tell my mum that some people think ‘eeny, meeny, miney moo, catch a tiger by the toe’ has racist connotations when she was using it with the kids and better to retire it. She had no idea. I just educate my mum if these things come up. I don’t berate her and call her racist.

Similarly my son has SEN, my mum is so afraid of using the wrong phrases too as the ones she used growing up are now offensive.
I try to educate her but I don’t take offense when she struggles to find the correct language.

If a member of the RF said something racist, was it racist or ignorant of the racist connotations to others.

If the latter then educate them and no need to go on OW, if the former and they refused to learn then I’m happy that they should name and shame clearly.

The allegations on OW weren’t clear for me to establish which it was

It really isn't up to people of colour to "educate" racists. Just like it isn't up to women to educate men on sexism or people with disabilities to educated those without about ableism. There is plenty of information out there for anyone to educate themselves.

Was the visit 48 hours after OW or the request? Normally these things are planned to the second weeks in advance.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

Let's hope the royals can do better. The reporting on this hasn't helped though, as the Guardian's piece didn't make it at all clear that it was a late 1960s situation they were describing. Similarly, 2000 is now over twenty years ago.

Many organisations still talk the talk but don't walk the walk on diversity and equality. The latest Private Eye that I referred to on another of these threads reported on how Barclays were using tons of shiny happy messages about equality for Pride month, but still have an absolutely shocking gender pay gap. Talk is cheap.

Anyone done the same analysis on Archwell? I would hope they'd want to set a good example in hiring people of colour. I am not aware of any of their big hires being anything but white. Can someone enlarge on this or correct me if needed?

uk.news.yahoo.com/who-works-prince-harry-meghan-archewell-105928088.html

Sorry, it's yahoo news, but finding who works for them is not easy, I don't know if they employ many people.

Skip Well.... Twenty years ago seems like yesterday to me! But the fact the Palace says they must do better, means they know it is a problem.

No idea on Archewell (It's go an 'e' in it !) I know however, the Press Secretary is a woman of colour.
Given they haven't been going a year, I don't know any more

aj according to the report the visit was 48 hours afterwards

The Duchess was on summer holiday at Balmoral Castle with the Queen, Prince Philip, and Prince Andrew when the scandal broke.

why was she still there? she should know it would be heard.

People with more knowledge in an area should teach others to understand.

It's racism, not astrophysics, and you really have no idea what it's like for PoC when they are told that responsibility lies with them to educate you. It's exhausting.

"It means everything to me on every level; we are linked not ranked," Meghan added.
The continued use of a title they are are quite entitled to use.

this is an example of hypocrisy.

A bit of an own goal for a duchess who wants to remain a duchess, I would have thought.

agree, well put.

It's racism, not astrophysics, and you really have no idea what it's like for PoC when they are told that responsibility lies with them to educate you. It's exhausting

Exactly! I just feel I'm learning all the time, but I don't expect anyone to teach me. But of course you have to be open to learning... some people just are not.

@Roussette

aj according to the report the visit was 48 hours afterwards

That's how I read it, but I thought that it was being suggested that he had suddenly invited her as a reaction to the 'racism' in the OW interview. When the plan may not have changed at all.

'People with more knowledge in an area should teach others to understand.'

It does seem obvious doesn't it. Acceptable terminology changes all the time. I'm quite happy to educate people on what is sexist and misogynistic for example, or what is disablist as we have a family member with significant problems. However I've never told anyone to 'educate themselves'.

We unfortunately seem to have arrived at a point where just to have a negative opinion of someone is racist. Despite others in thr rf getting equally intense scrutiny like Camilla, Sarah Ferguson and her daughters (who were savaged by the media) this is different apparently because of race. It isn't. The Sussexes are criticised because of their petulant and appalling behaviour.

He went there 2 days after the interview, and yes it is suggested he asked her to accompany him as a result of the interview.

@Roussette

He went there 2 days after the interview, and yes it is suggested he asked her to accompany him as a result of the interview.

I hope you're not speculating there. 'Suggested' by whom, scobie?

Anyone done the same analysis on Archwell? I would hope they'd want to set a good example in hiring people of colour. I am not aware of any of their big hires being anything but white. Can someone enlarge on this or correct me if needed?

i wonder that, too.

I cringed at that @Cacacoisfarraige, as I know I have previously made comments along the lines of 'we're all somewhere on the spectrum' - with the genuine intent of making someone feel less alone, and never thought it could be offensive. Sometimes just listening, learning and saying nothing is the best option.

Slightly different situation, but when my DC was born with a cleft lip and palate and many people referred to it as a hare lip. I understood that no-one was intending to hurt, but made a point of commenting back about their 'cleft' and normally people accepted the change in terminology. It was just how it had always been. I still get furious though when dramas show the evil villain as having a cleft!

@Samcro

i read a lot of books set in the era when people had servants. it often comes up that the servants hd their own type of snobbery, I imagine its the same with royal staff, that they might not be happy serving someone they deem not worthy.

I think there is a lot of minimising racism on here. it doesn't matter when the comments happened, or who made them. its still wrong and the rf should learn from it. PH's racism is often mentioned, yet when it is something that Meghan has endured its written off.

That I am afraid I can totally believe, but I doubt they will ever name and shame individual courtiers.

Prince Charles has just appointed Eva Omaghomi to spearhead some internal change. She seems impressive;

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-promotes-black-aide-24457247