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Harry in the UK

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Mummy194 · 30/06/2021 19:08

Well Harry is looking quite good. Suntanned and healthy. The glow of new parent perhaps. Just seen his video on Diana awards and he looked so happy when visiting Wellchild too.

I'm sure his charities were happy to keep in touch with him.

www.wellchild.org.uk/2021/06/30/remarkable-young-people-and-professionals-from-across-the-uk-receive-national-wellchild-award-from-the-duke-of-sussex/

www.instagram.com/dianaaward/

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PearlNextDoor · 09/07/2021 15:27

Obviously prince andrew's crimes are in a different league but he is just hiding behind the RF whereas meghan and harry complaining everybody unsupportive racist cut them off financially...

Different situations.

Believing H&M need to grow up doesnt mean one thinks andrew shouldnt speak to fbi.

As meghan herself said, it's not either when it comes to herself and kate!

Same principle applies to m&h and andrew. I can have criticisms of all of them.

So sarah is still a duchess!? Is she writing mills and boon books?

Roussette · 09/07/2021 15:33

No. It's not a mills and boon book as such, but it is styled on that genre. A romance.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/07/2021 15:47

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Samcro · 09/07/2021 16:15

Obviously prince andrew's crimes are in a different league but he is just hiding behind the RF whereas meghan and harry complaining everybody unsupportive racist cut them off financially...

don't get this. PA might have committed a crime.
H&M have not.

Viviennemary · 09/07/2021 18:52

What crimes. Have I missed something. Cant recall he has been convicted or even charged with any crimes. Confused

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 18:54

@Roussette

I agree Pearl about not stripping of titles, but even 'disallowing' hasn't happened with Sarah Ferguson who has used her title incessantly for 20 years.
I can’t stand the woman, and I’m not a fan of silly titles, but it’s a bit much to accuse someone of using their own name “incessantly”.

They let her keep the same divorced/dowager style with her title, the same as Diana, Princess of Wales, was. She probably considered the York dukedom her family name and wanted to keep it to match her DDs. Lots of women do the same.

As long as we have this daft business of Dukes, Princesses, Earls & Marchionesses, then what was agreed at her divorce stands.

Samcro · 09/07/2021 18:55

I said might have.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 18:57

Ricki Well... countless books with her title Duchess of York. Too many to count

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 19:25

@Roussette

Ricki Well... countless books with her title Duchess of York. Too many to count
How often do you use your name?

“Incessantly using” a name - their legal name - is such a ridiculous criticism to level against anyone.

Especially Fergie. She has done SO much that is controversial, but you want to shoot her down for using her own name too much.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 19:47

So, M&H can use their titles too... that's good! 'Their' name.

I am not shooting her down, far from it. I am just pointing out that she uses 'her' name. 'They' can use 'theirs'. All's fair.

Please don't find criticism where there is none.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 09/07/2021 19:56

Fergie has not, to my knowledge, spoken publicly about the wisdom of being 'linked not ranked' though.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 19:58

Not sure what 'linked not ranked' means.

She has written a book about her time in the RF and done one, or is it two, Oprah interviews.

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 20:01

@Roussette

So, M&H can use their titles too... that's good! 'Their' name.

I am not shooting her down, far from it. I am just pointing out that she uses 'her' name. 'They' can use 'theirs'. All's fair.

Please don't find criticism where there is none.

Well TBF, I can see why people draw a distinction between Fergie, who didn’t want to leave the BRF but was booted out, and has never said that she doesn’t care for titles, and H&M who left royal life, emigrated and said quite specifically that titles don’t matter.

Even then, I wouldn’t try to make a federal case out of it.

ajandjjmum · 09/07/2021 20:05

Fergie had her HRH removed (as did Diana) which is apparently the really important bit!

Roussette · 09/07/2021 20:05

Of course she wanted to leave the RF! She divorced her husband who was a member of it. She was hardly going to be in the inner circle of the RF after the divorce.

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 20:08

@ajandjjmum

Fergie had her HRH removed (as did Diana) which is apparently the really important bit!
Yes.
RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 20:08

@Roussette

Of course she wanted to leave the RF! She divorced her husband who was a member of it. She was hardly going to be in the inner circle of the RF after the divorce.
She didn’t want a divorce @Roussette
Roussette · 09/07/2021 20:09

You know that?

I thought it was a mutual decision but happy to be corrected with a source on that. I've never seen one

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 20:15

@Roussette

You know that?

I thought it was a mutual decision but happy to be corrected with a source on that. I've never seen one

Here you go.

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/news/a730/sarah-ferguson-divorce-interview/

“ Take the 1996 divorce deal she struck with her formidable former mother-in-law, Queen Elizabeth, whom "I still see, love, and admire. I didn't want a divorce but had to because of circumstance," she says, calling it "the most painful time of my life." (She and Prince Andrew had legally separated in 1992, triggered by the demands of his naval career—which allowed the couple to see each other a mere 40 days a year for the first five years—as well as rumors of her infidelity.) "I wanted to work; it's not right for a princess of the royal house to be commercial, so Andrew and I decided to make the divorce official so I could go off and get a job."

It was widely reported at the time that the Queen and Prince Philip had ordered Andrew to divorce her, immediately after the tie sucking pictures hit the papers. Everything was amicable until then. PP ignored her ever after.

Viviennemary · 09/07/2021 20:21

Yes I understood too that after the toe sucking Fergie was booted out and they were ordered to divorce. Sent home in disgrace from Balmoral.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 20:26

I'm not surprised after the Texan bloke and the toe sucking incident whilst her kids were there, naff!

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 20:27

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a22780142/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-relationship-timeline/

“In early 1992, the couple legally separated, and in August of that year, Sarah faced an explosive scandal as intimate photos taken of the Duchess with American businessman John Bryan were made public, the Washington Post reports. The Duchess was on summer holiday at Balmoral Castle with the Queen, Prince Philip, and Prince Andrew when the scandal broke. The Queen was reportedly furious, and Sarah returned to London that day, according to the Telegraph. Prince Philip's relationship with Sarah was also badly hurt by the scandal, and it has reportedly not improved much in the intervening years.”

I can’t find an account of the Queen telling Andrew to divorce her yet, but it was 1992 so a lot of the contemporaneous articles aren’t online, and they’ve obviously wanted to draw a bit of a veil since.

I’ll have a look to see if I can find a reference in a biography later. Now I think of it, the notion that HMQ ordered two of the three divorces her DC have gone through, is interesting. They messed up their own marriages but she was the one who had to call time, for publicity reasons, supposedly.

nameone · 09/07/2021 21:26

@Roussette

Not sure what 'linked not ranked' means.

She has written a book about her time in the RF and done one, or is it two, Oprah interviews.

It's from the interview / filmed chat last summer between Meghan and Gloria Steinem. Lots of links to reports of it if you search - I'd imagine the video itself is on YouTube - but here's a link to People's article about it. At the start it's explained that GS gave Meghan a gift of a bracelet with 'linked not ranked' on it:

"I love this," Meghan said, referring to the saying.

Steinem replied, "Well, you know actually, 'we are linked not ranked' is the shortest way I’ve ever found to say what our goal is."

"It means everything to me on every level; we are linked not ranked," Meghan added.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/people.com/royals/meghan-markle-linked-not-ranked-bracelets-gift-gloria-steinem/%3famp=true

Doesn't seem to sit well with the continued use of a title that emphasises superior rank.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 21:37

The continued use of a title they are are quite entitled to use.

Thanks for the explanation on the bracelet and what it means.

smilesy · 09/07/2021 21:54

They are entitled to use their titles as they still have them. However, if they feel that we are “linked and not ranked” ie all equal, as per the bracelet, it is surely hypocritical of them to cling on to the one thing that means they are, in fact, ranked ?