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Mummy194 · 30/06/2021 19:08

Well Harry is looking quite good. Suntanned and healthy. The glow of new parent perhaps. Just seen his video on Diana awards and he looked so happy when visiting Wellchild too.

I'm sure his charities were happy to keep in touch with him.

www.wellchild.org.uk/2021/06/30/remarkable-young-people-and-professionals-from-across-the-uk-receive-national-wellchild-award-from-the-duke-of-sussex/

www.instagram.com/dianaaward/

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Oldbutstillgotit · 09/07/2021 21:56

I don’t think anyone is disputing that they are entitled to use their titles , the question is why they want to when they have been so critical of the RF. They are now financially independent so why not drop the titles ? They will still be members of the family , titles or no titles.

Oldbutstillgotit · 09/07/2021 21:56

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Roussette · 09/07/2021 21:57

Exactly. They still have their titles.

I don't think a motto on a bracelet means they should give up their titles. 😂 Harry is a member of the RF and they are Duke and Duchess of York.. like it or not.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 21:58

Sussex! Not York.

Ooops typo

PurpleOkapi · 09/07/2021 21:59

@Gorgeouslilgirl

“If it was "Harry, if you want your children to be raised in the same social circles you grew up in, you should consider that a dark-skinned wife and children may not be fully accepted by many in those circles," then I think that's a different thing”

This is utterly racist and unacceptable. It doesn’t matter if you are “objecting on the basis of a person’s skin colour” on behalf of yourself, neighbours, God or anyone else.

This is so offensive that I cannot believe that you think it is ok!

Pointing out to a relative that their choice of spouse may limit things they'd previously taken for granted seems reasonable enough to me, regardless of whether it's fair or who's at fault for the surrounding circumstances. Why would you be against someone making a more informed decision?

Of course it's racist and unacceptable for people in those social circles or any other to reject someone based on their skin color. Did you think I was saying that was totally fine? But if I say that some people will do that, that isn't me being racist, it's me stating an unfortunate fact. Or do you think I'm wrong about that, and titled classes would have (and did) unanimously welcome them with open arms? If that's true, then Harry and Meghan were lying when they complained about all the racism Meghan had experienced. I don't think you can have this one both ways.

Roussette · 09/07/2021 22:07

So... he's decided to marry Meghan. And someone comes out with 'a dark skinned wife might limit your choices blah blah'... do you honestly think he'd say...
"OK, I don't think I'll marry the woman I love then because of her 'dark skin', I'm going to make an informed decision and dump her, thanks for pointing that out, I'd never given it a thought" Shock

Don't you think for one minute they were aware of what they might have well been facing? I'm sure Meghan was. If someone said something so awful, they deserve huge criticism.

And I speak from a personal point of view here.

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 22:13

@Roussette

Exactly. They still have their titles.

I don't think a motto on a bracelet means they should give up their titles. 😂 Harry is a member of the RF and they are Duke and Duchess of York.. like it or not.

It is intriguing that she didn’t avoid endorsing the meaning of the motto, though. She is quite quick enough on her feet to avoid elephant traps like that.

It’s akin to a large scale landlord being given a “property is theft” badge and warmly agreeing that yes, property absolutely is theft.

A bit of an own goal for a duchess who wants to remain a duchess, I would have thought. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Roussette · 09/07/2021 22:17

I think you can find anything in any sort of motto. I must look at the ones on my fridge and make sure I live by them without wavering!

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 22:21

@Roussette

I think you can find anything in any sort of motto. I must look at the ones on my fridge and make sure I live by them without wavering!
Just don’t let a videographer film you warmly enthusing about the truth of any slogans that go against your interest @Roussette and you should be okay. Grin

If somehow they do, however, just don’t release the footage on your website. Wink

smilesy · 09/07/2021 22:21

I think that motto has a bit more meaning than that though, and it was given to her by someone who is seen as a shining light of feminism. Not sure how being a Duchess puts you on an equal footing with all women. It automatically suggests that you are more privileged.

PurpleOkapi · 09/07/2021 22:29

@Roussette

So... he's decided to marry Meghan. And someone comes out with 'a dark skinned wife might limit your choices blah blah'... do you honestly think he'd say... "OK, I don't think I'll marry the woman I love then because of her 'dark skin', I'm going to make an informed decision and dump her, thanks for pointing that out, I'd never given it a thought" Shock

Don't you think for one minute they were aware of what they might have well been facing? I'm sure Meghan was. If someone said something so awful, they deserve huge criticism.

And I speak from a personal point of view here.

No, I don't think he would or should. But in that hypothetical, it would prompt him to consider a future outside that social set, and think about ways to make that happen that were compatible with whatever professional goals he had. It might also prompt him to think about things like where he wanted to live, which friends he wanted to keep in his life, and whether the schools and activities he'd enjoyed as a child would be equally enjoyable to his children. Ideally, he'd have then discussed all of that with Meghan, and they'd have made more informed decisions about their future sooner rather than later.

Meghan's said repeatedly that she had no idea what she was getting into and wasn't properly prepared for it, so no, I don't think she did. And if Harry didn't prepare her, that suggests to me that he didn't, either. The existence of that sort of racism may be awful, but accurately stating that it exists isn't. When Meghan said that she experienced racism and that it impacted things in Archie's life (like security), her supporters were happy to take that at face value. So why would it have been wrong for someone else to say exactly the same thing: "Racism exists in these circles and it will impact the lives of your children"?

RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 23:04

I just caught a case of mission drift while googling Fergie and the algorithm threw this up. I didn’t see it when it was first out. Quite shocking now:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=45RqUmxDXiY

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 09/07/2021 23:43

I find that so sad
Maybe it's all fake but it looks like a lovely real conversation and, as someone who works in mental health, I really thought they were onto something and I remember at the time I was overjoyed when they were speaking out about it together like that and using their platform.
Such a shame that they aren't working together on that any more.

omgthepain · 09/07/2021 23:44

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RickiTarr · 09/07/2021 23:47

@CovoidOfAllHumanity

I find that so sad Maybe it's all fake but it looks like a lovely real conversation and, as someone who works in mental health, I really thought they were onto something and I remember at the time I was overjoyed when they were speaking out about it together like that and using their platform. Such a shame that they aren't working together on that any more.
I thought so. They look a bit stiff for the cameras but they seem sincere. What a contrast.
Gorgeouslilgirl · 10/07/2021 05:48

“Stating that racism exists, isn’t”. Yeah, if you are taking a. Black life matters approach or fighting racism.

In racism, there are no neutral bystanders. Either you support and enable it, or you stand up against it.

Why should anyone have to a accept racism and adjust their life to ensure that racists can mantian their uninterrupted old boys club? Hmm

Imagine if we’re at work and your vboss said, I don’t think you should apply for this role because we are racists and you won’t get it. You should leave and find a job amongst your own kind.

Well, an employment tribunal would have a view on that

RickiTarr · 10/07/2021 05:53

@Gorgeouslilgirl

“Stating that racism exists, isn’t”. Yeah, if you are taking a. Black life matters approach or fighting racism.

In racism, there are no neutral bystanders. Either you support and enable it, or you stand up against it.

Why should anyone have to a accept racism and adjust their life to ensure that racists can mantian their uninterrupted old boys club? Hmm

Imagine if we’re at work and your vboss said, I don’t think you should apply for this role because we are racists and you won’t get it. You should leave and find a job amongst your own kind.

Well, an employment tribunal would have a view on that

Is this another analogy about Princess Anne? I’m losing the thread of the thread.

Can’t we stop witch-hunting until we know who said what? I will always stand up against racism, homophobia, misogyny, but I’m not very comfortable convicting people on rumours.

I’m sure who said what and when will emerge and then we will all be able to say something forthright and informed on the subject.

RickiTarr · 10/07/2021 05:58

TBH, I’m a bit suspicious that the finger of gossip has suddenly swivelled to Anne. Nobody even has a named source for the new idea that she is the culpable royal.

It could turn out to be completely justified and it is her and she did say something awful, but it could be misogynistic rumour without a foundation.

Gorgeouslilgirl · 10/07/2021 06:33

It was a general point, and investigating what was said and by whom is for competent public bodies

But to pp minimising racism as just “pointing reality” to apparently maintain and perpetuate the status quo, is disingenuous to say the least,

Roussette · 10/07/2021 07:18

Purple

Totally disagree. This means they should just roll over and accept any racism they meet?

Meghan has not said she knew racism existed within the RF, no. She said she was unprepared for how it actually was, I imagine that applies to anyone coming into the RF. You don't know till you're in it.

It really doesn't need a member of the family saying what they said.

I have no idea on Anne or any of them. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone. I imagine it comes in from all sorts of places, the courtiers for instance. If the Queen's private secretary can find Sarah Ferguson 'vulgar vulgar vulgar'... imagine what they would think about a mixed race American divorced actress. Shock The old style Establishment will not have changed, as has been shown by its lack of diversity in its hiring policy.

Cacacoisfarraige · 10/07/2021 09:07

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Samcro · 10/07/2021 10:52

i read a lot of books set in the era when people had servants. it often comes up that the servants hd their own type of snobbery, I imagine its the same with royal staff, that they might not be happy serving someone they deem not worthy.

I think there is a lot of minimising racism on here. it doesn't matter when the comments happened, or who made them. its still wrong and the rf should learn from it. PH's racism is often mentioned, yet when it is something that Meghan has endured its written off.

ajandjjmum · 10/07/2021 11:18

@Roussette The old style Establishment will not have changed, as has been shown by its lack of diversity in its hiring policy.

The recently publicised hiring policy was from the 60's - things have changed dramatically in the world and in the royal household over the years - thank goodness.

Cacacoisfarraige · 10/07/2021 11:34

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Roussette · 10/07/2021 11:53

The recently publicised hiring policy was from the 60's - things have changed dramatically in the world and in the royal household over the years - thank goodness

I know that... it was 1968 but as of only 2000 nearly all senior staffers were white. So, as much as I'd like to think it has changed, really not sure... some of these jobs are passed around family and friends, an old boys network as it were. That leads the royal circle to be somewhat insular and I can imagine they'd be horrified by Meghan as a breath of fresh air.