Harry in the UK

[Mummy194]

Well Harry is looking quite good. Suntanned and healthy. The glow of new parent perhaps. Just seen his video on Diana awards and he looked so happy when visiting Wellchild too.

I'm sure his charities were happy to keep in touch with him.

www.wellchild.org.uk/2021/06/30/remarkable-young-people-and-professionals-from-across-the-uk-receive-national-wellchild-award-from-the-duke-of-sussex/

www.instagram.com/dianaaward/

@Gorgeouslilgirl

And in case you are not aware, “not a good fit” is code word for plain old racist “not one of us”

I can’t believe people are justifying this garbage instead on saying that Anne should be investigated for her alleged comments (if she made them)

It could be code for various prejudices (and if it is, being an American divorcee might also be significant considering the history of the BRF) or it could be a comment on personality or lifestyle fit.

Since she has now declared herself incompatible with British Royal life and not only stepped down but actually left the country, I don’t see how anybody could be criticised for “not a good fit”. It has turned out to be spot on.

How do we know that evidence wasn’t offered to the RF? Otherwise on what basis do they say “recollections differ?”

You know, like if your boss fondles your breast and he says that he was merely admiring the material of your dress. Or you asked for it. Or it was just innocent and you are being a troublemaker...“Recollections differ”

I think the “recollections may vary” was in response to the interview as a whole, not specifically to the allegations of racism.

or maybe it meant attention -seeking? seems a little inauthentic?
doesn't know how to keep her head down? Likes to make money?

Jeez! there are so many other reasons to have thought, wow, is she good news? but it's all just brushed aside.

But you're right that winning over Princess Anne wasn't required to marry Prince Harry

Ah Ricki, so you are saying that Anne had foresight?
Or perhaps it is prejudice like this which made MM say “fuck it” and leave?

In my view, MM was a good addition to the Rf and it is a shame that she left. No one should have to put up with racism. It is not acceptable. Ever. 🤷‍♀️

I would say that her obvious enthusiasm to hit the ground running and modernise the royal family and be a ''breath of fresh air'' was about a million times more significant than the colour of her skin!!!

How does “hitting the ground running” have anything to do with speculation on the colour of her child’s skin?

Yes @RickiTarr whatever you make of Anne, very forthright I'd say, she was right. Meghan was not a good fit. She wanted to do every thing her way instead of the OLD WAY.

one real misconception Meghan had that was a bit sad was that she seemed to believe that stories about her would be corrected! When has that ever happened for any of them!? Fergie? Sophie? Kate. The media tore them all apart for a decade. That is how long it takes to earn your stripes with the press. And that is awful and misogynistic. And the men who marry in to the RF don't get the same treatment.
Stories about waity katie and her gum-chewing mother and her social climbing sister and her uncle gary in his....... shocking white vest in gran canaria fed the tabloids for a decade before meghan just gave them fresh material.

That's all it was. Fresh material. But she proclaimed it Different. It's Different.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

Why on earth should Anne be “against” H&M marrying? What business is it hers? Or indeed to comment on the potential skin colour of the child?

I think most people get that it is probably driven by prejudice. Except for those who act wide eyed innocent

No, not really. I do completely see that various of these alleged things and media things could have been motivated by racism, (if we ever get to the bottom of which ones happened and which didn’t). Some of them, definitely.

What I cannot work out is how you’d ever be sure how much of it was racism, how much was xenophobia, how much was snobbery, how much was prejudice against actresses,.. etc etc. MM embodies a lot of things that people hold prejudices about. In situations where she where she is being unreasonably judged, how does she even know herself which thing someone is holding against her?

That’s quite a lot to cross the world and take on , by marrying into the top of the British class structure.

I don’t know why wondering about the different prejudices would be “wide eyed innocence”. It’s the opposite, really. She was almost doing some one woman intersectional experiment or something. Not a lot of women would be ballsy enough to take all that on. I know I CBA to deal with even an aristocratic partner. Too much baggage.

Unless they say so, of course , and for that reason people who have specifically said racist things are clearly a different category.

Then on top of all that, you’ve got culture/personality clashes as evidenced by things like 5am emails causing such a flap (why people can’t just silence their devices overnight, I don’t know). It’s a LOT.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

How does “hitting the ground running” have anything to do with speculation on the colour of her child’s skin?

precisely. It doesn't.

But I can see why the fusty older royals and the men in grey suits probably were scared of what was coming down the line.
They want to do things how they do them. They didn't want a breath of fresh air coming in to hit the ground running.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

Ah Ricki, so you are saying that Anne had foresight? Or perhaps it is prejudice like this which made MM say “fuck it” and leave?

In my view, MM was a good addition to the Rf and it is a shame that she left. No one should have to put up with racism. It is not acceptable. Ever. 🤷‍♀️

You don’t even need foresight to know that strong characters, women and career-oriented people have very mixed luck marrying into that institution.

I was a bit gobsmacked that she even WANTED to. She seemed too successful and dynamic for Harry anyway, and maybe for ceremonial folderol generally.

So true @RickiTarr and another 'ism' she was a divorcee. So there could have been some 'ism' against divorcees wrapped up in there.

Lot of different isms. I don't doubt it.

But she didn't play their game. No real attempt to play the 600 year old game their way.

If I'd been her, and this makes me laugh because I'm a five foot one civil servant with looks that don't stop the traffic...... I'd have got married in a much, much smaller venue, no veil to acknowledge it was a second marriage, a champagne colour dress, no title............

She'd be happier if she'd gone down that route.

Ricki I agree that there is whole intersectionality there.

It is the speculation on a potential child’s skin colour which highlights the racist aspects of the prejudice. No doubt there are other aspects of prejudice as well.

I honestly don’t know anyone who would be shocked to hear the Rf is racist. What is shocking is how easily it is accepted and excused and minimised in 2021!

@Gorgeouslilgirl

Ricki I agree that there is whole intersectionality there.

It is the speculation on a potential child’s skin colour which highlights the racist aspects of the prejudice. No doubt there are other aspects of prejudice as well.

I honestly don’t know anyone who would be shocked to hear the Rf is racist. What is shocking is how easily it is accepted and excused and minimised in 2021!

Yes she got a lot of social media racism and a bit of tabloid dog whistle racism, too.

I’m reserving judgment on the “Royal who said a thing about skin colour” purely because Harry is a daffy witness.

The courtiers and any remark about “poor fit” or whatever, I just feel like why would a self-made American biracial woman, a success television actress, a divorcee and disruptor, even want to fit into that environment or expect to be happy there? I can quite imagine the laundry list of issues some of the snotty “men in grey suits” might have had with her but why did Harry even let her try? He must have explained it all very badly for her to ever think it would work. He should have known. He is the numpty in all of this.

'They are financially independent, so not sure where the Queen comes into it... except Harry is her grandson. '

Not sure if you're being genuine or what. Yes, they are financially independent. The Queen comes into it because their relationship to her she is their USP in the US. So while they throw everyone else under the bus and chuck any old allegation at the rf (because the Sussexes are bitter and resentful at their half in half out proposal being refused) they creep around the Queen so CBS/Netflix/ Beyonce etc etc still think they are still relevant royals.

I think you know this really.

Harry did what I used to do when a relationship ended disastrously.

He over corrected with the next relationship!

I'm being flippant here, 90% flippant but I also think it's relevant. Chelsy Davies never wanted to be in the RF. Cressida Bonas wanted to be known for her acting, not for being H's gf. Then he met Meghan who had no qualms at all about being known as his girlfriend and wanted to hit the ground running.

He over corrected and they were married before you could say, wait, is there a middle ground.

Financially independent?? I think recollections may vary on that one.

ha ha!

I'd consider myself financially independent in a house worth 15mil.
First thing I'd do would be sell it for a house worth 5million and live comfortably with no worries.

'It is the speculation on a potential child’s skin colour which highlights the racist aspects of the prejudice. No doubt there are other aspects of prejudice as well.'

They couldn't even get their story straight about this allegation though could they. H said it was when they met, M said it was when she was pregnant. It was all very he said/she said. Totally unsubstantiated and no witnesses. If there's one thing we all know for sure with these 2 their recollections do indeed vary to actual events.

'I'd consider myself financially independent in a house worth 15mil.'

I know it's a rags to riches story! rich and privileged man cut off financially (barring the massive lump sum his df gave him but we don't talk about that), so has to make himself financially independent by oversharing and breaching his family's privacy by revealing all kinds of unsubstantiated gossip. It's like a Catherine Cookson saga isn't it .

I dont think the house is fully paid for from what I've read. I can see financial woes in the not too distant future.

Janice, no 'I don't know this really'. Not at all.
I don't think they are at all bitter about the half in half out, that really is history now, you need to accept that!
FWIW I think they are quite rightly showing respect to the Queen, and I think you understand that

Obviously the speculation could have been more than once. Prior to the marriage and after she was pregnant. What is so unbelievable about that?

I’m curious about all of those defending Anne. If it was established that her comments were racists (assuming it was Anne, and that there was an actual investigation). Would you try to minimise it and say oh, she is old school etc etc?

I wonder if people who excuse racism are usually closet or causal racists themselves. Just as those that excuse or minimise misogyny are usually misogynistic at core

Ooops not Janice! Janiie!

@JaniieJones I am sure Meghan is quite used to some people dismissing the racism she may have faced. Racist and rude are not the same, she said. And POC know when something is racist sorry🤷‍♀️. The RF as an institution has been racist in the past, allegations against other members of the RF Or their policies are documented are out there. Are those defensible ? Or is it just because Meghan faced potential racism and she is so unliked by some that she is berated for suffering prejudice?.