Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

I can imagine the conversation was something like this: 'and we'd like to name her Lilibet, Granny, Lili for short'. Granny, being a very polite lady who reads MN and as a result knows that no-one owns a name, probably got caught on the backfoot, said 'oh lovely dear', because she can't very well say no - because that would then give them ammunition for a future interview.

Granny then tells the rest of the family who are already riled up by H&M, one or more of them makes their feelings on the matter very clear to a Palace representative and says something like 'you can fucking tell the BBC that Granny wasn't consulted, she was told - and she couldn't very well say no anyway. Pair of a-holes that they are'

@Roussette the reason it’s different is because the others, even SF, are very proud royalty ( not saying this is good ) in fact in Marie Christine’s case it is well known that she considers herself more royal than the royals and in Sarah’s case she fought tooth and nail to keep her title.

In Meghan’s case she is developing her career based on how dreadful the family and the institution are. So to the layman it just seems odd and dare I say it hypocritical to use the title.

@GlencoraP

Just seen the pictures of the Queen in Prince Philip’s rose garden. She looks so small and frail and very hunched, she has aged so much in the last year but even in the last couple of months.

What a mess, yet again Harry has dropped Meghan in it, what a ghastly man he is. He will let her take the flack but actually he is the one who will have known how badly this would go down within the family . He just wanted to go one better than all of his cousins who have used Elizabeth in their children’s names to honour their grandmother.

The name Lilibet is just about the only thing that HMQ has that is not public property, I am not talking about possessions but about her persona. Very few people were given the privilege of using it and although everyone knew about the name it was never publicly used. Now just as she loses her husband it’s being bandied around everywhere and she is being gaslighted by her clearly pretty unstable grandson.

I couldn’t agree more.

Sorry that got mangled , should have read proud of being royalty

Yes, good post GlencoraP. Hopefully the Queen can just rise above it, but you just wonder how low they can go really. Either that or they are very badly advised.

Thoroughly agree with @MaMelon . Harry seems to keep wanting to get to the Queen by himself (remembering the Sussex Royal breakaway kerfuffle and Harry wanting to meet with the Queen alone - with Meghan "dialling in").

I can only hope the Queen's phone was tapped so we would know how Harry couched the name announcement.

@GlencoraP

There was a whole thread the other day which eventually got deleted. The level if sycophancy was ridiculous . I didn’t post but there was definitely a few posters who believed criticising the book was synonymous with hating Meghan. I simply don’t agree with this and hopefully neither would the woman herself

Ok then that is very different to your pp which Read that Meghan herself has stated she should not be criticised for her book- which would be odd.

@amusedtodeath1

No one was really that bothered when they decided that RF life wasn't for them. I think most people would agree that it's not a life they would choose for themselves either.

What caused controversy was how they did it and what they've done since. The passive aggressive statements and the interviews slating everyone from the RF to the Firm to the public, for everything that is wrong in their lives.

The final straw for me was continuing with all the interviews when Philip was dying and while people are still grieving.

Now this, I don't know what HMTQ thinks about the name but I doubt that the BBC have made it up. They clearly think their source is reliable.

I agree.

@ChiefInspectorParker

When I said M was within her rights I meant to use her title, not accusing her of clinging to and monetising it. I mean, she is monetising it, but she’s certainly within her rights to use it, nothing wrong with that in itself.

Well there is when she trashes the family that gave her the platform on national TV.

the reason it’s different is because the others, even SF, are very proud royalty ( not saying this is good )

Well... it didn't stop her writing a book about how awful her time was in the RF and 'not a fairytale'. So not sure I agree with you there. She wrote books and gave interviews on this.

As I say.. it appears like it's one rule for SarahF, PCharles, Princess Michael of Kent and any other Royal who fancies bringing a book out... and another rule for Meghan who has brought out one childrens' book.

@Roussette

It might well be 30 years ago but I can't see any change within the RF, can you? I bet time has stood still.

We don't know do we? We know very little until divorce happens, or the equivalent of leaving the institution like H&M.

Then we start to hear more

You can google who Meghan and Harrys staff were while they were working royals - they were mostly women actually. So there has definitely been a change in the demographics of palace staff in the last 30 years.

That would probably have been Meghan's choice I imagine.

Quite possibly. Although some of the very senior women (Sam Cohen for example) were moved from working for the Queen to their office.

Now this, I don't know what HMTQ thinks about the name but I doubt that the BBC have made it up. They clearly think their source is reliable.
then why the anonymous sources which was unnecessary and childish. Why did HM not just issue a statement. They often issue statements from BP which have come from the Queen. What was different about this case. If she didn't give permission and wants it known then issue a statement not hide behind anonymous sources. It is very easy to blame H for speaking out against what he believes is right - when the other side is being vague and using anonymity. All they have to do is say BP confirm that HM did / did not give permission for her name to be used. and if the queen is happy with it add - however HM is delighted and if she isn't then leave that part.

What a horrid lot of conflict for a family already in deep mourning. I love that Prince Edward has said he's staying well out of it.

Can't help but feel sorry for the poor baby, not even a week old and her name is everywhere in the press. She will have fun Googling herself in a few years time....I can't help thinking they M&H haven't thought through the impact all the hoo-ha will have on their children in years to come. I though above all else H wanted to protect them?

@Krook

Can't help but feel sorry for the poor baby, not even a week old and her name is everywhere in the press. She will have fun Googling herself in a few years time....I can't help thinking they M&H haven't thought through the impact all the hoo-ha will have on their children in years to come. I though above all else H wanted to protect them?

Apart from anything else, H&M are very different from each other, academically, culturally, strategically & professionally. So when they sit down together to plan something, or choose something, there’s a huge a lot of disparate influences coming to bear.