Positive thread on Meghan again

[Mummy194]

Now that at the other knock off MN chat has been shut down, we seem to have an influx of those posters on here with new or encouraged accounts.

For those who are not interested in trawling through negative post after the other. You can come on here for positive news about Meghan and Harry.

Why not, everyone else seems to be viewed positively, without 'cynicism'. I don't mind taking this at snail pace, we just post on the good things about H&M, they sure seem to be doing a lot of that lately, and it's really buried under the negativity on MN.

@BalloonSlayer

It is an untruth to claim the Archbishop of Canterbury married you when he did not. Furthermore the "untruth," or lie as it should be called, claimed that Justin Welby had not only conducted an illegal marriage, he had then conducted a fake one (the televised one in the Chapel).

The Archbishop was forced to issue a statement to say he had not married them - this is because it was such a serious issue if he had done so. And that's why them saying that was so insulting to him.

Marriage is one of the holy sacraments of the church, it's not just a legal ceremony. Doing it properly according to the laws of the land and the laws of God are taken incredibly seriously by any clergyman. Alleging a priest flouted these rules is an absolutely appalling thing to do.

Some of us believe in God and therefore a church wedding is very meaningful to us. Meghan was married in church but it was not meaningful to her.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

But many people have a private ceremony and an official one. We celebrate our personal wedding and that’s the day I mentioned when people ask about when we got married. And put our official one on legal documents.

It is such a non issue 🤷‍♀️

No one has called us liars

Except that you did not have an expensive "spectacle" paid for by we the people and then went on TV pretending this was not the real thing. Nobody asked them to provide the spectacle as far as I am concerned and she was the first one up to pose in the limelight after all. They should have had a lower profile wedding and gone live their lives and disappear in the horizon. This business model of doing the rounds charging a fortune to talk about MH and how daddy left them dry and did not want to fund their lifestyle sounds really fishy.

@Roussette in the statement he was forced to give, the Archbishop said that if he had married them as they claimed, then conducted the public wedding 3 days later knowing they were already married, he "would have committed a serious criminal offence."

So the A of C has confirmed that Meghan and Harry claimed he committed a serious criminal offence.

As the Archbishop of Canterbury he has the authority to refute this and the gravitas to be believed.

If he were a humbler priest . . . who would be believed I wonder? The royals saying 'he did this for us,' or the priest saying 'no I didn't ' ?

But you're right in that there would be no chance of a humbler/inexperienced priest getting to marry royals so fair point.

Agree, she was so eager to do well at the role and I think it must have been soul-crushing to then be mocked and criticised. I remember the writing on the banana thing being picked on. It was cruel. And I think she did some really great things in the short time she was here tbh. I'm sad things got so bad that they couldn't continue, although I think they've made the right decision 100% to leave. Just a cursory read of this thread confirms that. So many shitty, petty comments.

@CokeDrinker

I'm not a royalist and I've never gotten the issue with the word 'spectacle'. Perhaps it would offend some royalists who enjoy the pomp and pageantry, but lets be fair here, it is a show for Monarchists and the subjects of the Monarchy. I feel that every word she says is dissected. People forget that she is African American. An American, and they speak differently. I think people don't keep that in mind. They are more frank than the British. More forthright. They speak differently. People I feel, need to make adjustments in their mind for that. Saying spectacle and saying they were 'married' a few days earlier are cultural idiosyncrasies. In a time where most people talk about the positives of multiculturalism and promoting understanding of races and cultures, it's strange that Meghan wasn't given tolerance and understanding of these things, and the British feel the need to impose their world view (ie about 'marriage') on the African American woman.

Are you British? You are missing the point. And of course the average American could not see the point. Could been edited, the point is, but they did not care (and definitely he is so obsessed with his own issues (at best, or incapable or seeing the point at worst) he could not possibly pick up the point, despite being who he is and third in line for the throne until not long ago).

I think it is a good thing they left though. The longer the stated, the worse it was going to get.

Wow, just seen this. Aren't you a peach.

Roussette thank you for posting on this thread. You come across as a kind, articulate and far more well-balanced person than any of the derailers.

Bottom line Balloon to some it matters, to others it doesn't matter at all.

And I don't get the hang up on the word spectacle. As I say, that's what the press calls it. And what it is! A huge spectacle.

And so agree Coke on the differences between us over here and in the US. Same language, so different at times. But as people hold Meghan to such a high standard, she isn't allowed to put a foot wrong, even though she is from a different country.

Argh quote malfunction. That was @Coronateachingagain - very nasty mocking of Rousette.

' I remember the writing on the banana thing being picked on. It was cruel'

It was utterly patronising and a bit questionable to write cheesy notes on bananas for sex workers. I'd have said the same if any member of the rf did it.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

It was a spectacle (I didn’t watch it, crowds make me nervous). And a spectacle that bought in tourism and revenue to local businesses, apparently.

Maybe Meghan felt she was conceding to British public opinion by having a big wedding. Maybe the public begrudge the amount spent.

All this points to the need to do away with archaic pomp and traditions associated with RF and let people live their own lives however they want to

Rumour is, she was so up for it for the obvious reason that it was raising their profile. She thought she could control them all eventually, she failed and it must been crushing for her personality. A shame because a lot of her decision will go to try and gain back ground lost in this battle, and there is no going back from that.

AspiringMatriarch thank you but I just burble on.
And I won't be silenced much as that's been tried on me for a long time.
Tough, ain't going anywhere!

@Lucaslucas1612 the wedding was in Windsor not London.

It was utterly patronising and a bit questionable to write cheesy notes on bananas for sex workers. I'd have said the same if any member of the rf did it.

I wish you'd read the comments from the charity and from the sex workers. It was well received but don't let the truth get in the way of your negative perception of it.

@Aspiringmatriarch not sure what you mean, but I can assure you, that unlike some posters, my opinions are totally mine, cheap and free.

@Coronateachingagain No, I am not missing the point, you are. The point is that there are cultural differences, and they need to be kept in mind.

very nasty mocking of Rousette

@Aspiringmatriarch
That particular poster has been doing that with me a long time. Water off a duck's back for me.

Laughable!

@Aspiringmatriarch

Agree, she was so eager to do well at the role and I think it must have been soul-crushing to then be mocked and criticised. I remember the writing on the banana thing being picked on. It was cruel. And I think she did some really great things in the short time she was here tbh. I'm sad things got so bad that they couldn't continue, although I think they've made the right decision 100% to leave. Just a cursory read of this thread confirms that. So many shitty, petty comments.

Yep the fact they left seems to be the best for everyone - including us, the plebes.

[quote CokeDrinker]@Coronateachingagain No, I am not missing the point, you are. The point is that there are cultural differences, and they need to be kept in mind.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more. Goes both ways by the way, especially when you are the newbie!

@Aspiringmatriarch

Argh quote malfunction. That was *@Coronateachingagain* - very nasty mocking of Rousette.

Yes, I have reported that post and Sundayistheday 's, but it is night time. It just proves how nasty and bullying the detractors are. And deliberately goady on a thread that clearly says POSITIVE thread on Meghan. Like, couldn't they just leave us alone and let us have this thread? They show how deplorable and vicious they are.

@JaniieJones

' I remember the writing on the banana thing being picked on. It was cruel'

It was utterly patronising and a bit questionable to write cheesy notes on bananas for sex workers. I'd have said the same if any member of the rf did it.

Ok, fine.

I'm going to bow out of this thread now. Too much incessant nastiness. There has to be something a bit wrong with anyone coming on to deliberately drag the conversation down and 'correct' anyone who has a more positive view of Meghan, Harry, or indeed anyone else. Bloody weird behaviour.

Seeing as this "positive" thread is rather scatter gun - I don't feel too bad about adding that it absolutely wasn't a "private" ceremony that took place. Obtuse, disingenuous whatever - but to continue banging on that they meant something other than exactly how it was interpreted is not credible and wasn't what was implied.

It may be in Denmark marriages are a little bit flexible?! however, this is a UK site and it absolutely does matter in the UK - hence the public reaction of turning against them after feeling the implication of having been made fools of for celebrating the day of the wedding with them (those that supported their stance of half-in/half-out etc).

Miss the point as much as you like, but no-one believes much H&M say based on this faux fact "nobody knows that". It made fools of the people that supported and waved flags (not me, not ever liked Harry - don't "hate" him, yawn...).

As for Meghan I don't think she had a clue what she was letting herself in for and may have thought Harry was the catch she hoped for. No-one, absolutely no-one was desperate to marry Harry - hence his unhappiness - not because of being in the RF - his perma negative attitude, is very wearing to be around I've often heard said. I feel sorry for Meghan if anything.

Meghan wouldn't have had a clue about the hierarchy in the RF and listened to Harry saying how hard done by he is..... hence where we are now. I don't think M is to blame for the mess, always seen it as Harry and he was determined to go out with a bang as he felt the public were behind him, he's popular, Diana's true son etc. He was wrong. It's the service that's respected, not the personalities in the end. Meghan is as much a victim of Harry's ego as the RF are.

I don't much like the Californian style of navel gazing in anyone - so I'm not predisposed to feel fond of someone like Meghan, but that's not the issue for me. Harry is the one that has misdirected and had his public meltdowns and fed lies about how hard done by he is and now by extension - how hard done by "they" are.

I'm sure in time more will come out about Harry having ideas about what was possible, which led Meghan to feel they could change the world etc. Harry was not willing to accept a diminishing role in the RF.

@JaniieJones

'She had a job to do in Africa and that was to represent the Queen. Moan about your life in private'

Yes that doesn't sound too complicated does it.

correct.

You mean when the 'newbie' is not white, Coronateachingagain.

It just proves how nasty and bullying the detractors are

You don't know half of it, I could write a book on it!

@Aspiringmatriarch No, please don't go! Don't let the vicious bullies win.