To be shocked at some RF members turning their back?

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It has been reported that some Royal Family members literally turned their back on Prince Harry at Prince Philip's funeral and refused to even acknowledge him.
I have had extended family members behave badly and are in no hurry to be friendly. But I think this is appalling behaviour. I would never do that and especially not at a funeral.
It reminds me of that video being shared where William and Kate totally snub and ignore Harry and Meghan.
It is just so rude and awful.

[quote Mummy194]@ohforarainyday

Samantha is like 56, did she actually first graduate 13 years ago? MM looks like a teenager in that picture. Also, the certificate that says 2006 is totally different to the one she is holding in the picture.

I don't think Harry counts PR photo shoots as proper family time.

Meghan never, ever said Archie should be prince from birth. She clearly said he is supposed to be prince when PC takes over, and they were changing those rules. The tabloids keep repeating this lie.[/quote]
Meghan said she expected Archie to be treated the same as the other grandchildren, which does suggest titled Prince immediately, since the only other grandchildren have all been titled in that way from birth.

Treated the same, by not suddenly changing the rules.

@Crocidura sitting on a bike your dad is riding is very different from riding a bike yourself.

@Mummy194

Treated the same, by not suddenly changing the rules.

Well, that's not what Meghan said, but you go for it. 👍

[quote castemary]@Crocidura sitting on a bike your dad is riding is very different from riding a bike yourself.[/quote]
I agree, but I'm not sure what you mean by this comment.

I don't know how it would work if Archie became 'Prince Archie of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' (or whatever the full title would be) when he is obviously going to grow up in America and his parents have stood down from royal duties.

Maybe you should ask why the BRF chose to release that photo with the deliberate intention of painting their own son/brother/grandson as a liar

Actually that particular bike ride photo - and several similar ones - was published years ago, so there'd have been no need for the RF to "release" something that could be (and was) found instantly by the media

It has been reported that I have a bridge to sell you. Are you interested, op?

Meghan said she expected Archie to be treated the same as the other grandchildren, which does suggest titled Prince immediately, since the only other grandchildren have all been titled in that way from birth.

Well, that's not what Meghan said, but you go for it. 👍

Yes those photos were in the public domain, perhaps Harry should have googled himself , Meghan might be able to help him.

The thing is all children forget what fun they had before they're 7 really. Quite often, what they're remembering is the photos they've seen of the holidays, not the actual event.

You realise as you get older that your own parents looked out for you when you didn't even know you were alive, let alone whether you had gone on a bike ride with them. Reason being your own kids grow up and claim never to have been to a Castle, or whatever they say - and then you can produce the photos of them at 10 castles .

Twenty years it will be Archie saying my parents never let me see my cousins and I'm angry, my parents never let me visit castles.... etc Harry's face will be priceless, he will then realise no-one is a perfect parent.

Maturing is accepting your parents' faults and seeing what they struggled with - not only seeing it from one point of view (Diana's) sometimes life is just a mess.

So maybe every single time he was on the back of a bike was for a photo opportunity. So why would he remember the 5 or 6 times in his life? Children remember how their parents treated them generally.

Harry struggled to remember not to use racial slurs, wouldn't worry too much about what Harry remembers about anything.

This is beginning to sound like a stately homes thread.
My father would say he played with me as a child. I have not one memory of him ever playing with him and he ignored me virtually all the time. If we were famous he may have been able to produce some photos of him playing/interacting with me briefly. I still would not be lying.

Meghan said:

"But the idea of our son not being safe, and also the idea of the first member of colour in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be"

@Mummy194

Treated the same, by not suddenly changing the rules.

The rules were changed before Harry and Megan even met - how is that sudden?

@castemary

So maybe every single time he was on the back of a bike was for a photo opportunity. So why would he remember the 5 or 6 times in his life? Children remember how their parents treated them generally.

Ah, a minute ago someone said it was just once and he forgot. It's pointed out that there are several photos at various ages, he has quite obviously been on bikes his whole childhood. So now every photo was a photo op and he never cycled properly, he was only on a bike 5 or 6 times in his life. Listen to yourselves. This is crazy. He lied. There is no way of spinning it, he lied. His mother rewrote the rule book to give them as normal a childhood as possible. They had bikes.

(There's photos of him riding a bike in Los Angeles quite recently - where do you think he learned how to do it, an Army cycling course or something?)

The rules were changed before Harry and Megan even met - how is that sudden?

The rules have not changed yet. They are proposing to change them for Archie. As things stand, he should still proceed to be Prince when PC takes over.

What will be interesting is to see if they stick to that proposal, now that they have been exposed.

If the plan is for only William’s children to be called Prince and Princess when Charlie’s is King then surely the same plan will be out in place for any children of Charlotte & Louis when William is King so it will not be targeted just at Harry & Megan anyway. Whatever happens to Harry’s children will also be planned for theirs so if does give a flavour of using the race angle to try and get a decision changed that they don’t like.

I’m not sure why Archie not having a title is a problem anyway. Didn’t they say they didn’t want a title for him as they wanted him to be brought up in as normal way as possible?

@smilesy

I’m not sure why Archie not having a title is a problem anyway. Didn’t they say they didn’t want a title for him as they wanted him to be brought up in as normal way as possible?

This is what puzzles me. Why does Archie need or want a blooming title? Isn't it a millstone round his neck?

Yay4SPring - that's exactly it - the changes in 2012 to say that (Harry) doesn't name him but says "other children" ie. not the eldest son of the Prince of Wales - will have option to be a Duke but if female then option of being known as "Lady", but if he only has female children the hereditary aspect dies out with that generation. Says can't change hereditary aspect for females on peerage etc.

So it does deal with Harry and William's children. No doubt, in due course will be applied to William's children in same way. Makes sense to slim down.

It was 2012 that it was decided, so definitely not racism...FGS - Harry having a meltdown as he is clearly upset at not being heir to the throne etc (see his shoving in and out of lines to be seen to be near William etc as his role as "spare" to date has moved to George and the other children of William. Harry is having the same petulant battle that brothers have had throughout history.

So H&M were right, and I think that the backtracking is a way of trying to get the option of Charles now feeling pressurised when he ascends throne to grant that title. However, the original letters patent etc states grandchildren born to a reigning monarch, I can see a case that line of succession has moved so far away by the time Charles is King that the "being born to a reigning monarch" bit is relevant and no case for them to become Prince anyhow.

In any case the 2012 changes cover what will happen to Harry, unless a further change is made. It deals with Harry's potential son becoming a Duke or if only having daughters then the Duke title would cease with that generation. So it seems covered to me.

It's pointed out that there are several photos at various ages, he has quite obviously been on bikes his whole childhood. So now every photo was a photo op and he never cycled properly, he was only on a bike 5 or 6 times in his life. Listen to yourselves. This is crazy. He lied. There is no way of spinning it, he lied

Most of us know this, Crocidura. TBH I don't care whether he's ever ridden a bike or not, but I care when someone tries to take the public as fools and can't even be bothered to check their facts before opening their mouths - and that applies whether it's H&M or the guy down the street

In the interview, Meghan implied that he did not receive a title because he was mixed race and may be 'dark skinned', and the same with any security.
'Conversations simultaneously'...
I understand he could be called Earl of Dumbarton, which they turned down.
The point here is that Meghan (and I presume Harry), want always to be treated the same as William and Kate. Unfortunately, the RF is based on precedence, not popularity. When William and Kate's children are older they will come before Harry and Meghan.
Secondly, Meghan's order of precedence is based on her husband.
This was clarified I think, when Charles married Camilla, ie If Charles is not there then Camilla comes behind Prince Edward and Princess Anne, etc.
This also applies to Meghan. If (supposing) Harry was not there, but other royals were, then she would drop back.
Does it matter?
Well it wouldn't to me, but obviously does to her.
Weird situation actually. There is video footage of her pushing past Harry to shake hands first (UK), where as the Royal, Harry should be first.
Obviously, in Hollywood, she is the actress, and she would come before Harry.
Even writing this sounds totally archaic, but that is the RF for you.
Yes, I would also like the curtseying, etc to stop, if not with Prince Charles, then definitely with Prince WIlliam

I e noticed her pushing last Harry in several occasions and making herself the focus. Even in the engagement interview. It was quite unsettling how she took over. I thought then she doesn’t understand how things work.