To be shocked at some RF members turning their back?

[fiheka]

It has been reported that some Royal Family members literally turned their back on Prince Harry at Prince Philip's funeral and refused to even acknowledge him.
I have had extended family members behave badly and are in no hurry to be friendly. But I think this is appalling behaviour. I would never do that and especially not at a funeral.
It reminds me of that video being shared where William and Kate totally snub and ignore Harry and Meghan.
It is just so rude and awful.

Well you can say anything you want obviously. But if the wedding I was a bridesmaid at in a cathedral ran through with us all where we sat and stood and when, I can't imagine a RF wedding would not do the same.

We had a practice with best man. But also met with the priest on a couple of occasions just the three of us for discussions about marriage.

[quote fiheka]@derxa I am not devoted to Meghan, I am not even that keen on her. But being balanced when people talk about Meghan often means pointing out the lies people tell themselves.

Meghan said they wrote their own private vows and said them in the garden. That is not a dress rehearsal.
There will have been a dress rehearsal of who sits where, who walks where etc before the wedding. I have been to dress rehearsal of a wedding in a cathedral. I wasn't even getting married but was there to be directed where I stood and then sat as a bridesmaid. The actual vow bit was - now you say your vows.[/quote]
They might have said their private vows. The Archbishop might have said a blessing over them. That isn’t getting married. We got married three days before, nobody knows that isn’t true, or a different interpretation. Stop it. Stop making shit up. Referring to the wedding as a spectacle for everyone else, that wasn’t meaningful to her? She’s trolling the British public. Going on Oprah and making vague accusations is despicable and trashy. And now all these ridiculous pictures, the peevish snappy responses. They are full of it.

[quote Marmaladeagain]andy - Harry have a look at the attached - it was all over the UK press several days before the funeral, released letting Press know how procession would happen and that H& W were not going to be stood near one another, at William's request.

On the day you can see Harry moves from the far left and into the place that Snowdon was walking into meaning that him and Tim Laurence have a conversation about who should move where. It was to military precision, Harry chose to ignore where he was told to stand
The reason it's isn't a total mess is because others around him behave with extremely good grace.

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I see what you mean. I had read about the order in which the grandsons were going to walk, but hadn't heard anything, I mean specifically after, about the shuffle into the chapel. I know there is significance about everything in the RF in terms of who takes precedence, etc, but is this significant, stepping behind William instead of Peter Philips?

Yes, Harry walks behind William as previous order of succession, ie he would go in front of Lord Snowdon etc, but Harry's left RF really and his role isn't to be front of stage at royal events so no reason for him to demand to be near William.

So previously: Queen, Charles, William, Harry, previously - it's changed now William has children so in a few years Harry knew he would be walking behind George and the other two children.

Anyhow, all that aside it is what the Queen decided is the issue - it was released by BP as the Queen's decision of what she wanted to happen at her husband's funeral and was announced to the press that this is how it would be done. Harry did it differently. Just as well everyone else didn't, could have been mayhem if the soldiers and Anne etc all decided they fancied a different position. Everyone knows where to stand, it was timed to perfection and they arrived at the steps at the precise moment they were expected.

You are trying to twist things to suit what you want to believe.

I’m twisting nothing. I’m presenting actual facts which poke holes in your argument. Where did the piece say people asked clergy for garden weddings because Meghan said she had one. That was your claim, your “evidence” didn’t support it. Where did your claim come from?

I see, so only believe something if someone is telling you themselves. Don't apply scepticism that people may have an agenda when telling their "truth" (incorrect statements on royal protocol and how they were used "against" them). Don't bring own supposition, as said, on the balance of probabilities when weighed against easily checkable facts etc

Nope. I’m saying not to believe something if an unverified “source close to” says it, no matter how many times that is repeated. Nobody knows who that “source close to” is, or if, in fact, that person who said that thing even exists. In days gone by such things would never make it anywhere near a responsible news source.

I have no idea how accurate any of the claims in the Sussexes interview were, I don’t particularly care. But we know they are what is being claimed by people who were there. If the Cambridges claimed he threw a strop, it would still be one side versus the other, but at least it would be clear that it is actually something which is claimed to have happened by those who were there. As it is, this is something that appears to have been made up for media clicks.

She's offended the British public

She hasn’t offended me.

Yes you can easily imagine this: "OMG there's a credible security threat, William and Kate must be safely seated inside. No, not you, Your Majesty, you can walk in as normal."

Ever been involved in security? Ever had to plan it and look at the myriad aspects to be taken in to account? Do you know about Royal Protocol when it comes to security incidents? No. Didn’t think so. It has happened before, but it isn’t splashed in Metro, and Birmingham online from a “palace insider” so I guess it never happens, huh.

@MintyMabel. I’m sorry you continue to want to be obtuse. Perhaps people didn’t ask specifically for “garden weddings” but they did ask for private weddings which are not legal in England. The articles refer to garden weddings so the whole thing was lumped together. Do you not agree that saying “we were married 3 days before” would suggest to a reasonable person that they were legally married at that time? Meghan did not say we exchanged private vows. She said “ we were married”. If she said that in a court of law, a reasonable person would think that she meant a legal wedding contract was made. You are presenting facts about weddings in Scotland. I have agreed that you are correct about this. Meghan was not in Scotland. So it is not relevant.

Do you know about Royal Protocol when it comes to security incidents?

I think we could take an educated guess that the Queen takes top priority if there’s a security threat.

They are full of it.

Full of something. Not sure they are full of it but whatever they are full of certainly rhymes with it.

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

They are full of it.

Full of something. Not sure they are full of it but whatever they are full of certainly rhymes with it.

Ever been involved in security? Ever had to plan it and look at the myriad aspects to be taken in to account? Do you know about Royal Protocol when it comes to security incidents? No. Didn’t think so.

I don't think you need to be M to understand that if it wasn't safe for William and Kate to walk in, the Queen would not have been walking in.

@StillRailing are you catholic? Because that sounds like the catholic obligatory pre-marriage instruction. Nothing to do with the wedding.

Meghan wasn't married 3 days before 'the spectacle'. She's offended the British public, the Queen and the Archbishop of Canterbury. I seriously don't understand her thinking.

I agree. Making light of her actual wedding, pretending it was meaningless, insults the Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Queen, every single guest who attended and the public who watched and applauded, all the people who were on the receiving end of her Bridzilla moments and who worked to give her the wedding she wanted and the British taxpayer who paid for it. And she somehow thought it was clever to say it was all a sham for the dim public but they did something better in private three days before. A statement that was obviously a lie and easily disproved.

It also insults her own wedding vows. Which suggests they don't mean much to her. Most people who are happily married have happy memories of their wedding day which was very important to them. Time will tell I suppose.

I didn’t notice Harry changing positions in the procession until it was pointed out here. He is like a petulant teenager. He doesn’t want to accept responsibility for his decision to leave and what it entails

I read "Harry rearranging himself during the funeral procession " and thought of something entirely different, let me tell you.

@BalloonSlayer

I read "Harry rearranging himself during the funeral procession " and thought of something entirely different, let me tell you.

Ha! Me too!

Lol so did I! How uncouth

@ShamedBySiri

Meghan wasn't married 3 days before 'the spectacle'. She's offended the British public, the Queen and the Archbishop of Canterbury. I seriously don't understand her thinking.

I agree. Making light of her actual wedding, pretending it was meaningless, insults the Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Queen, every single guest who attended and the public who watched and applauded, all the people who were on the receiving end of her Bridzilla moments and who worked to give her the wedding she wanted and the British taxpayer who paid for it. And she somehow thought it was clever to say it was all a sham for the dim public but they did something better in private three days before. A statement that was obviously a lie and easily disproved.

It also insults her own wedding vows. Which suggests they don't mean much to her. Most people who are happily married have happy memories of their wedding day which was very important to them. Time will tell I suppose.

Great summary

@BalloonSlayer me too! Wondered how I missed it as well as I was watching Harry like a hawk!!

Yes, ‘balding’ doesn’t often get an outing in same sentence as the words “petulant teenager’.😀

Like a bit of baldness usually, but he managed to look scruffy too at the funeral.

I see it as goading for a reaction - he was probably hoping they would be angry at him and ignore him after service, but they didn’t. Backfired on him as he showed has no respect for what the Queen told him to do.

He only had to stand still and Peter and William step forward without him, Snowdon steps forward and Tim drops back. Harry didn’t have to do anything, but decided to move across in front of both Snowdon and Tim causing a situation for others to smooth over.