To be shocked at some RF members turning their back?

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It has been reported that some Royal Family members literally turned their back on Prince Harry at Prince Philip's funeral and refused to even acknowledge him.
I have had extended family members behave badly and are in no hurry to be friendly. But I think this is appalling behaviour. I would never do that and especially not at a funeral.
It reminds me of that video being shared where William and Kate totally snub and ignore Harry and Meghan.
It is just so rude and awful.

I do wonder how much any of us would really care if many of us hadn’t been bored with a year of lockdowns/restrictions.

To be fair it’s the Birmingham Mail that got the OP so angsty in the first place. It’s doing well on the H&M clicks - maybe that’s why there are so many stories about them

I know. That was exactly the point I was making - obviously too subtly for some people as it went straight over their heads.

@Lauren15

When were H and M booed? I don’t remember that. *@Marmaladeagain* I didn’t notice what happened in the funeral procession but H and M’s behaviour in pushing through their chairs at the Commonwealth service was comical. At that occasion, I did think Kate and Sophie let the side down as they were represented the Queen and shouldn’t have shown personal feelings. However, I do understand how they felt.

I thought it was quite refreshing that they showed their personal feelings. Kate and William had just been told they had to sit in their places, rather than enter with HM as was shown in the Order of Service, purely to keep M & H happy. I'd be pissed off that everyone was giving in to the badly behaved child, just to keep them quiet.

Sophie purely reacted when she saw Meghan giving a megawatt grin towards the camera, as it was focusing on her. She gave her a very pointed look, which seemed to remind Meghan that this was a Royal occasion, not some celebrity event. It seemed to do the trick.

Kate and William had just been told they had to sit in their places, rather than enter with HM as was shown in the Order of Service, purely to keep M & H happy

You have proof of that, of course?

The order is of service which was printed showed W&K walking in with the Queen. M&H were not in the procession. In the day W&K walked in with M&H

Yes the proof is it was in the published order of service.... then announced day before that they wouldn't walk in with Queen.....and all sat to keep Harry happy, although he had a furious face throughout.

It was everywhere at the time and do remember someone that wants to put their "truth " out they haven't corrected a good number of stories that show them both as petulant, but insisted on great lengths about the wedding disagreement with Catherine.

That's why any good lawyer will have told them both (and they would have ignored) that once you start down the line of suing/correcting truths you inadvertently reveal the stories which you can't dispute...

It was widely reported that the terrible twosome threw a strop because they weren't in the Queens procession. So Kate and William said ok then we won't be either. TBH I'm glad they've left.

It really is like dealing with toddlers. W&K have to change what they were supposed to do at the commonwealth service and then no one can wear uniforms at the funeral so Harry isn’t left out ( ok Andrew threw a strop over which uniform he wanted to wear, but he was still entitled to wear one) 🤣

If the RF jumped on everything the Sussexes do, as some allege, I think we’d have heard more about it

Possibly, but not necessarily unless it came from H&M (and I can't see them advertising that they'd been "jumped on")
Sometimes it's best to do things privately, which would chime with what the RF said they'd do anyway

As I said on another thread, I'm still wondering if the "realisation" that Archie's title thing was down to protocol rather than racism was the result of palace influence. Obviously I can't know - hence the "wondering" - but if the family demanded proof of the alleged racism and all H&M offered was some rot about "our truth", I can well imagine pressure being brought to bear

their outright lie about being married before the actual event that makes me critical of them

Right, but most of us, who hadn’t already decided she was a wicked, lying bitch, knew what she meant and aren’t twisting ourselves in knots with legal definitions.

Before same sex marriage was legal, my BILs had a civil partnership where we all got dressed up and attended a ceremony identical to the one my husband and I had. They called themselves married, should I have got all in their face when they said it and insisted the legal definition was not marriage and stop using it?

My best friend had a real problem with her wedding that she found out the week prior there had been a fuck up with the paper work by the registrar and legally she couldn’t get married on the day that she had booked and paid for with 100 guests invited. Instead of cancelling, she asked someone to be a pretend to marry them then later went and signed the papers. Nobody suggested they weren’t “married” on their wedding day. It’s all just semantics conveniently used as another stick to beat them with. If Kate had said it you’d all be “aww, that’s sweet”

It was widely reported that the terrible twosome threw a strop because they weren't in the Queens procession. So Kate and William said ok then we won't be either.

By anyone who was actually verified as being there when it happened?

Or by someone who planted a convenient story to encourage a sympathetic view of the Royal Family?

The order is of service which was printed showed W&K walking in with the Queen. M&H were not in the procession. In the day W&K walked in with M&H

Was it also printed this was because of the Sussexes?

Don't be silly Minty - it's nothing to do with Kate.

I think it's about the openness. Of course no-one would have said 'you're not really married' to your BILS or your friends, but presumably they had been upfront with everyone.

This was a very different situation, where the people who were paying for the wedding - RF and taxpayers - all understood it was the actual marriage, whereas Meghan tried to imply a couple of years later that it was a pure charade. At a cost of millions, that was a bit of a slap in the face.

So those people who had decided she was not a wicked, lying bitch knew that when she said marriage, she didn't mean marriage? Says it all really.

Mintymabel
I don’t see the civil partnership parallels. Your bils had a legal ceremony and the ceremony had a legal bearing; couples are treated ‘as married’ whilst not being married. I also would consider your bils married tbh.

As for querying whether or not the strop happened, I can’t answer that one. But if we were to pursue that avenue, every story in existence could be queried if absolute proof were required.

@MintyMabel. The order of service which, was obviously printed before the event took place, stated that William and Kate were to walk behind the Queen and Harry and Meghan were to be seated in waiting. William and Kate, it was widely reported, joined Harry and Meghan in being seated, thus changing what they were supposed to be doing. It was reported that this was because Harry was unhappy as they(H&M) had previously walked in with the Queen. They were not going to do so as they had stepped down as senior Royals. To keep the peace. William and Kate changed what they were supposed to be doing. I’m sure they wouldn’t have done this otherwise. Okay so I wasn’t there, but as I said, it was widely reported that this was the case and it is a logical explanation for what happened. I think you are clutching at straws to say it was otherwise.

Puzzledandpissedoff - unlikely that H&M would listen to advice or requests from the RF. I think the "we may have been wrong" is damage limitation from their PR side to gauge reaction, not going well I'd wager.

Harry's childish behaviour at the only two ceremonies he's attended in 2020 or 2021 is relevant. There could have been huge focus on what an embarrassing dolt he was (again) which was plain for all with eyes in their heads, don't need the press to see it - as I say, I clocked it all myself at CC and the funeral side stepping his allotted position.

It seems increasingly likely that the both the negative and positive stories come from H&M themselves. Trying to spin positivity and victimhood in equal measure. Why have the RF contacts not going overboard (to date that is, we might trigger them now ) pointing his petulant behaviour out?

Probably because RF aren't leaking opinion as much as some would like to believe. They don't need to, just leave H&M with enough rope and they do a sterling job of showing themselves up every single step.

Minty - where do you get your news from? Where is your opinion from?

I always find it funny when all news outlets are disbelieved, where exactly are getting news from - read across the board and form own opinion like everyone else.

Your points are lycra stretching parallels, in fact no parallel.

Before same sex marriage was legal, my BILs had a civil partnership where we all got dressed up and attended a ceremony identical to the one my husband and I had. They called themselves married, should I have got all in their face when they said it and insisted the legal definition was not marriage and stop using it?

In the nicest possible way, there is a difference between royalty and your BILs. I'm assuming that your BILs calling themselves married didn't mean that the Archbishop of Canterbury had to publicly deny that he had performed an illegal marriage?

I wasn't at all bothered by M saying they had got married 3 days before (and I sort of understand what she meant about private vows) but I was pissed off that she was having a pop at the huge ceremonial wedding that I'd enjoyed watching. She made it sound as though the big spectacle was purely for show and to please the peasants.

I never thought she meant they were legally married. I assumed she meant an exchange of vows. What I objected to was her saying ‘this spectacle is for the world’ . How arrogant and self important. I know a lot of people were excited about a royal wedding but not everyone. They weren’t doing us plebs any favours. I’d rather the money for policing be spent on more pressing matters. I feel the same about Eugenie’s carriage ride around Windsor.

Of course no-one would have said 'you're not really married' to your BILS or your friends, but presumably they had been upfront with everyone.

Not really. Only 4 people knew about my friends situation. She didn’t even tell her parents. Of the guests at my BILs wedding I’d guess at least half of them would have had no idea of the difference between Civil partnership and legal marriage. These would be the ones who were loud about their confusion when BILs then went on to get married when it became legal.

This was a very different situation, where the people who were paying for the wedding - RF and taxpayers - all understood it was the actual marriage, whereas Meghan tried to imply a couple of years later that it was a pure charade. At a cost of millions, that was a bit of a slap in the face.

Oh so it’s all about the money now, is it? That’s the current excuse. You can chose to interpret it as her saying it was all a charade if you want. Most see it as her explaining her experiences of those two events.

But you are fooling yourself if you think Kate wouldn’t have been treated more favourably if she had made the same statement.

Minty - where do you get your news from? Where is your opinion from?I always find it funny when all news outlets are disbelieved, where exactly are getting news from - read across the board and form own opinion like everyone else.

My opinions, with everything, come from verifiable facts. When people here say “it’s widely reported” That means nothing. Daily Mail posts something, it’s picked up by Metro and Birmingham online. Often it links back to a Twitter thread, or “a source close to” or my favourite “insiders”with absolutely nothing verifiable.

I can say with confidence that reporting on the Princess and the Duchess is heavily skewed in Kate’s favour because I have seen the reports. I can say with confidence that there are difficulties in balancing family and duty because that has been well documented by people who publish things under their own name and worked in the establishment for decades. It has also been voiced by family members themselves in various interviews.

I will no more believe that Harry and Meghan did x “according to a source” than I will that William and Catherine did x “according to a source”. I believe that as with all families, people will do things they perhaps aren’t proud of and they will do them in their own best interests. I don’t need to take any side as it is a little more than a soap opera to me. What irritates me is the constant criticism based on “widely reported” things because it invariably has a nasty and unnecessary undercurrent, and it shows a lack of critical thinking by people who may be doing things in their lives to shape society and that’s a worry.

I have my views on who did what, or who said what in the saga as it’s been played out, but those would be based on less than credible stories so I wouldn’t make any claim about it here or anywhere else. I’m also aware enough that some of my opinions may not be necessarily fact based and to be careful how I use them.

MintyMabel, the order of service for the Commonwealth service is online, just Google it.

Does it say that the subsequent change had anything to do with the Sussexes having a strop about it? Where is the verifiable source that shows that?

No-one has publicly made a deal about Harry re-arranging himself during a funeral procession

I remember Harry tapping his leg with the order of service (think it was on the way out) and thinking he looked quite bothered. It may be that moving behind William on the way in was purely accidental and down to nerves or general apprehension. Whatever the reasons, he can't have felt at all comfortable that day.