To be shocked at some RF members turning their back?

[fiheka]

It has been reported that some Royal Family members literally turned their back on Prince Harry at Prince Philip's funeral and refused to even acknowledge him.
I have had extended family members behave badly and are in no hurry to be friendly. But I think this is appalling behaviour. I would never do that and especially not at a funeral.
It reminds me of that video being shared where William and Kate totally snub and ignore Harry and Meghan.
It is just so rude and awful.

H&M

PR my arse

You are a fool if you think they don’t have the best PR firm in overdrive building up their image. Istagram and their latest Youtube channel not to mention the Cambridge children being trotted out just enough to appease the public.

Did I say that K&W PR team weren't at work? I don't remember saying that. Of course their PR team are working hard, they wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't.

What I meant was (and my next paragraph after my slightly jokey first line went on to explain. Their PR isn't working on me, it doesn't need to because by comparison to the OW interview K&W look like saints.

Whoever has done Camilla's PR has done a very good job. She has kept a low profile and no lecturing folk how they should behave. And no complaining. Harry take note.

The stats about enagements and days is here. It is on a bar chart so hard to see exact days, but it is roughly right.

writeroyalty.com/royal-work-statistics-2018-annual-edition/

William was a full time working Royal by June 2017.
So no working 2 and a half days a week in 2018 is not impressive. It includes all engagements, not only public engagements, but dinners. You can see all the engagements he attended in 2018 if you want to.

So in January 2018 William worked 8 days and attended 11 engagements. Included attending DAVROS for 2 days. Only work for charity was opening Victoria and Albert Museum in Dundee, attending a meeting of the Michelin Dundee Action Group and visiting the London Air Ambulance to mark their 30th anniversary.

It would be fine if it was on their own money they were doing this. But we the taxpayers are giving them a lot of money to do this.
Harry was also pretty lazy as a full-time working royal.
Meghan and Kate both were either pregnant or had babies, so their engagements were more understandably low.

Who'd have though the RF getting with technology during Covid and utilising it for communication (just like every one else). Some changes will stay after Covid. Lots of elderly people have been using video calling for the first time etc.

Regarding K&W PR they don't need a positive spin as such, just wait til H&M open their mouths again.... won't be long...

Rather rude to assume people are fools for not agreeing with you. Now if I made up stuff such as: I was married 3 days earlier than everyone thought and we had a snigger up our sleeves at that secret; that titles and security are interlinked blah blah

Now, if I believed all of that - then that's what I'd call a fool....

In 2020 William worked a bit harder. In January he did 21 engagements and worked for 12 days. Nearly three days a week.

You're not wrong OP William did not work as many hours as your average person would have in 2018.

The fall out from the H&M stuff has been very positive for W&K in the U.K. Their positivity ratings have gone up here. That may just be a temporary reactive boost.

I know that H&M have had a more positive reaction to the Oprah interview in the US than in the U.K., but I’d be interested to know whether there has been any effect on the positivity/negativity towards W&K in the US. Anyone know?

I think in the US there was a lot of sympathy for H&M, and then a lot of what they said was disproven and it has fallen somewhat since.

I'm not sure about W&K though.

Yes, he worked very part-time. Some of those two and a half days a week were in reality very part-time days. For example, attending an official lunch or a church service.
But the pr message is that they are always busy working for charities. It is a lie.

@fiheka

Yes, he worked very part-time. Some of those two and a half days a week were in reality very part-time days. For example, attending an official lunch or a church service. But the pr message is that they are always busy working for charities. It is a lie.

You have no idea what his work schedule is. You see public engagements as his only work.

You do realise that he actually works in his office. Not everything is public.

It's PR it's all about image. W&KS PR team are very good I have to admit (even though I detest it all). They're subtle and I like that, they almost make me forget it's all fake. But everyone does is so they're all even on that score.

My money would be on HMQ, Philip, and Charles doing most and Wills, Harry and the others doing a lot less. Probably because they're minor royals, compared to the others.

Ah yes the dreaded paperwork. The queen spends/spent hours daily doing the paperwork. Even on holiday, it's very unglamorous and never gets talked about but it's relentless apparently.

I think Charles and William are easing her load these days (I hope they are, bless her) so at least one of them could be doing for/with her.

I am looking forward to the next Crown when the public are reminded just how badly the RF treated Diana.

You don't seriously believe that The Crown is accurate history, do you?

Considering that you are clearly Team Meghan, I'm surprised that you're assuming that this rumour is true. One of their arguments in the Oprah interview was that the press were racist and printed bullshit that was sometimes the reverse of what happened.

Assuming that this story is true and that recollections vary (ie the person accused would describe the incident differently), I would not be surprised if that person or people who witnessed the incident blanked him. It's better than asking Harry outright what he's playing at misrepresenting events.

I don't want to defend anyone here but maybe William wanted to be around to see his kids growing up. Maybe he felt if he was expended to put being King before everything else in the future, he would put his family first while he could??

I'm speculating here obviously but in his position I would probably feel that way.

Expected (darn it!)

Who cares when he works and how long what is your point?

There's not enough riches in the world to tempt me to sign up to be a member of the RF. I don't/wouldn't blame any of them if they wanted out. I couldn't live like that. The press alone would break me.

What I don't understand is why that's the RFs responsibility. They had their own staff, PR people, etc. It was even worse for MM than any other Royal bride because of the crap her family fed the press. But I still don't get why they think there was anything the RF could have done about that tbh?

Perhaps they could have said more about it publicly but it wouldn't have stopped it, might even have made it worse.

No I am not team Meghan. I am team taxpayer.
And yes I know the message is that William works not many days because he has a young family. I do not know anyone else where both parents work very part-time and receive very large salaries, because their children are young
The Queen has a lot of paperwork to do because she is Head of State. William does not have the same responsibilities. He does not even head up any of his own initiatives like Charles and Harry have with the Princes Trust and Invictus games. There is a reason he is widely known as work shy.

@amusedtodeath1 if the RF are a family firm, and that is how they operate, then you do not just leave parts of the firm alone if things are going wrong.
But it does not surprise me. They are highly dysfunctional as a family.

Harry does sod all for Invictus.

I'm confused by the whole idea that the palace leak info on Harry to save William.

1. Surely anything that harms any one person in the royal family harms the brand so this seems counterintuitive as a technique

1. People who believe in this theory often cite as an example of a story about William (that H&M leaks have hidden) the one about a supposed affair with a neighbours wife (Rose somebody) - but given we all know about the Rose story, the technique hasn't worked very well has it ?

1. If the technique has worked then we don't know what hasn't been reported instead about William - in which case we have no tangible proof that leak A directly covered William story A - so we are back to simple conjecture.

1. Theory of this technique is based around the American advisor to H&M being later hired by W&K with a relationship to a journalist. I can give this some credence but who hired him in the first place for H&M? I understood some of their staff were existing employees of the RF and they rest they hired themselves. If they hired him why would he leak stories about them to cover up for William (who he didn't work for them?)

The whole they didn't defend me against inaccurate stories complaint by mm I am torn by. On one hand can see how galling that is or the other can't see the point in responding to nonsense that might just perpetuate the nonsense.

I recall the comms sent out before they got engaged (I think it was) about the racist reporting - perhaps they should have reissued that statement repeatedly as understand that more then refuting stories about coloured tights for example.

@MarthaJonesPhone I am sure he does nothing now. But I had thought he had in the past?

@spanishlady The allegation is that when the press are going to publish a negative story about William or Kate and ask the palace for a comment, the palace say to them, do not publish that story and we will give you a juicier story instead about someone else. The reason being that they need to keep those who are in direct line to the throne as having as good a public image as possible. It is about securing the future of the RF.