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Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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artquejtion · 01/05/2021 09:32

He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

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JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:05

Louise Mensch doesn’t seem to realise that Charles can’t just remove Andrew’s princely title. That would have to involve Parliament.

Imo that’s not a road Charles will go down. Once you start asking parliament to remove titles because someone doesn’t deserve them then you open up the risk of that happening to you, or others, in future.

Removing the Sussex and York titles could be done, but I doubt it will. Mostly because Harry and Meghan would then be Prince and Princess Henry, like prime and Princess Michael of Kent.

I don’t think Charles, and William as he’ll be involved in discussion about the future, will risk highlighting that titles can be removed like that.

Roussette · 04/05/2021 14:06

Well.... Louise Mensch is an acquired taste that's for sure.But I liked her work on the NOTW hacking scandal and Trump/Russia.

And it is interesting to read what people out there think about it all

Roussette · 04/05/2021 14:08

Interesting JustLyra.

derxa · 04/05/2021 14:08

And anyone who thinks a 95 year old woman is running everything with a tight grip is deluded. You should have told my DF that he shouldn't have been running his business till his death at 92. There's a lot to be said for experience and keeping your ear to the ground. I think the phrase 'Recollections may very' came straight from the Queen's mouth.

Roussette · 04/05/2021 14:09

I don't doubt she made that statement.
I was talking about the huge workload, the daily stuff, the routine things. Of course she would have the final say on sensitive statements.

BlackCatShadow · 04/05/2021 14:14

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned or not, but apparently Meghan was assigned a courtier to help her will royal etiquette and the suchlike, Samantha something. I believe she’s Australian and a similar age to Meghan. She is one of the people who were alleged to have been bullied out of her job. I don’t believe this bullshit that there was no one around to help Meghan adjust to life as a royal. According to everything I’ve read, Meghan just didn’t like what she was told and wanted to go things her own way.

JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:16

@BlackCatShadow

I don’t know if it’s been mentioned or not, but apparently Meghan was assigned a courtier to help her will royal etiquette and the suchlike, Samantha something. I believe she’s Australian and a similar age to Meghan. She is one of the people who were alleged to have been bullied out of her job. I don’t believe this bullshit that there was no one around to help Meghan adjust to life as a royal. According to everything I’ve read, Meghan just didn’t like what she was told and wanted to go things her own way.
I’m not Harry and Meghan’s biggest fan, but Meghan didn’t bully Samantha Cohen into leaving.

I’m not commenting on their working relationship as, obviously, I don’t know, but SC was leaving and agreed to stay on for 6 months to work with Meghan and Harry.

She was always leaving when she did.

BlackCatShadow · 04/05/2021 14:16

Sorry, Samantha Cohen is her name.

BlackCatShadow · 04/05/2021 14:18

She is part of the bullying probe though, isn’t she?

JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:21

@BlackCatShadow

She is part of the bullying probe though, isn’t she?
No idea. Like I said, I’ve no idea about their working relationship, but she was leaving when she left so to say she was bullied into leaving is inaccurate.

The publications that jumped on “loyal aide quits after x years” were the same ones that lauded H&M as being so popular that she’d agreed to stay on for a while at the start. It’s just really poor reporting.

BlackCatShadow · 04/05/2021 14:27

My point is less about the bullying and more about that the idea that Meghan was left unprepared for Royal life. She did have an experienced Aide to support her who definitely wasn’t some old, stuffy dinosaur, so I don’t believe the suggestion that Meghan was alone without help or advice.

FraiseRoyale · 04/05/2021 14:28

Louise Mensch doesn’t seem to realise that Charles can’t just remove Andrew’s princely title. That would have to involve Parliament.

Not true. Parliament would have to be involved to remove Andrew from the succession, but the monarch can remove his titles, including the HRH.

Marmaladeagain · 04/05/2021 14:28

@MummyJ12 very well said, I'm surprised no-one challenged her, though I'd never ask for a post to be deleted because such opinions should be challenged.

Just to be clear, I'm not referring to you as the "mummy" in my posts, in case there's any confusion. I will have to be more precise with the quoting to avoid that, apologies if it looks as if I was addressing you.

Roussette · 04/05/2021 14:33

Not true. Parliament would have to be involved to remove Andrew from the succession, but the monarch can remove his titles, including the HRH

Interesting.
Maybe that article isn't way off the mark then

JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:35

@FraiseRoyale

Louise Mensch doesn’t seem to realise that Charles can’t just remove Andrew’s princely title. That would have to involve Parliament.

Not true. Parliament would have to be involved to remove Andrew from the succession, but the monarch can remove his titles, including the HRH.

The monarch can remove his HRH and his York title, but to remove his Prince title it would have to be tabled in Parliament.
JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:36

The title deprivation act gives a clear indication how removing a Princely title has to be done.

It cannot be done just on the whim of the monarch (obviously it would be unlikely they’d even start if they didn’t think parliament would agree, but that’s not the same thing).

Roussette · 04/05/2021 14:38

Quite possible then. The article is about removing the HRH.

BalloonSlayer · 04/05/2021 14:38

According to Private Eye's moles in the RF, the story about Andrew and the Admiral's uniform was nonsense.

I think it's safe to say that Private Eye is not a fan of Andrew.

Just saying as Louise Mensch is giving that story credence.

FWIW Private Eye said that people were reasonably friendly to Harry at the funeral but there was no "big talk with Charles and William," and conversations were mainly him showing them all pictures of Archie on his phone.

LillianGish · 04/05/2021 14:39

According to everything I’ve read, Meghan just didn’t like what she was told and wanted to go things her own way. I think it's more likely that she literally couldn't believe what she was being told. Meghan, as an American, is all about equality and equal opportunities while the Royal Family is the absolute antithesis of this. The only thing that counts in the Royal Family is who your parents are and the order in which you and your siblings are born. Being top dog has nothing to do with earning your place, being the best person for the job or even being the most popular - the only thing that matters is being born first. And if you have the good fortune of being the first born (Charles, William, George) then everything falls to you. No-one else counts. Meghan is unable to see this. I don't think she ever appreciated how extraordinary it was that she as a divorcee was even allowed to marry Harry - much less be married in a church (an honour that wasn't even extended to her own father-in-law - the future King). It sounds ridiculous when you write it down, but no more ridiculous than the Royal family itself. Indeed that's the whole point - it's all about hereditary privilege, nothing more, nothing less. For Meghan to think it unfair that Archie wasn't being made a Prince was to miss the point entirely - the whole system is unfair. That's the system!

Roussette · 04/05/2021 14:44

Of course Balloon. As I said, it is an opinion piece. Smile

Great post Lillian

MummyJ12 · 04/05/2021 14:44

No problem at all @Marmaladeagain and thanks Smile

JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:53

The other thing with Andrew is - you have to question if Charles sees him as an annoying spoilt brother or as lowly as many of the public see him?

He hasn’t been outcast by the family since his involvement with Epstein was first brought to light. Even meghan’s first meeting with the Queen was at royal lodge when they were going for lunch with Andrew, Fergie and one of the girls.

He was only put out to pasture when the PR meant he had to go because he was going to damage the institution that they’re all reliant on, and part of.

Lots of people accused of hideous things retain the support of their family as the family just don’t believe it of them, it’s very common, and I see no evidence that the royals are any different with Andrew.

I wouldn’t be remotely surprise if the only outward sigh of Andrew being removed from the public eye is the fact that he’ll be “unwell” and unable to attend coronations and weddings in future.

JustLyra · 04/05/2021 14:54

For clarity. The mention of the lunch is about the recentness of his inclusion. Not anything pointed to H&M.

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FraiseRoyale · 04/05/2021 14:55

Actually, I think it's the peerage removal that would need an act of Parliament, but HRH and the princely title could be removed by the Queen with Letters Patent.