Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

The only three "difficult" lines are
*"send her victorious"
*"happy and glorious"
*"long to reign over us"

Harry could/should/would have taught her the words, if she'd asked.

Also MM never lied about anything, the papers claim that to be so, and frankly a lot of grown ups don't buy that.

Not sure how you have missed it, but Meghan lied about getting married three days before she actually got married. The Archbishop of Canterbury had to issue a statement denying that he had performed an illegal marriage ffs. You're really starting to sound desperate now.

The Queen has nothing to do with this !

As has been explained, the courtiers that you are so suspicious of work for the Queen and do as she says.

Where in god's name is it shown they want to come back into the RF and are blackmailing them to enable this?

What a load of tosh. I think they couldn't be happier with what they've got away from the toxicity of the courtiers and the press over here.
Well done them.

And anyone who thinks a 95 year old woman is running everything with a tight grip is deluded. It will be a mixture of Charles, William and courtiers.

@Marmaladeagain

The Queen is the RF. The others are the direct heirs - William and Charles.

That's why Harry leaving is neither here nor there. No-one cares and it doesn't impact on our political/constitutional system in any way at all.

If the Queen or Charles or William decide the job isn't for them we have what would be known as a constitutional crisis on our hands and a lot of work behind the scenes would happen.

Nothing has happened since Harry left, just some patronages to share round or to inform no royal support available.

Harry isn't the RF - he was working within the framework, but he's not anymore. He's biologically related to the royal family - but the royal family that plays a constitutional role in the UK is more than a family - it's a a job, which he no longer has.

Basic google search - top return might help you, it isn't difficult to find out some facts of what the RF's role is - if you want facts rather than just being mortally offended.

"Along with the House of Commons and the House of Lords, the Crown is an integral part of the institution of Parliament. The Queen plays a constitutional role in opening and dissolving Parliament and approving Bills before they become law."

That's what the RF are - it's not about smiling at charity events, that's a by product - the actual role is part of our system of government in the UK.

The system carries on as it is the role that is important, not the person. The person accepts the role and is respected for that duty. Harry's a twonk and it is of no consequence him not wishing to be a working royal, he's not very bright and still hasn't realised it and saying he's a victim.....yawn

Totally agree.

@MrsFin

The only three "difficult" lines are *"send her victorious" *"happy and glorious" *"long to reign over us"

Harry could/should/would have taught her the words, if she'd asked.

For someone used to learning lines, it shouldn’t been a big ask really.

@SmallPrawnEnergy

Christ is this still being dragged up. Just get on with your own life ffs. You also don’t get to police who comments on threads.

Yet here you are policing what sort of threads people start.

no, the only tosh is what you say Rousette, how dismissive to imagine the Queen doesn't have a firm handle on affairs - it's a role she takes extremely seriously. That will change as she gets increasingly older as she has recently handed certain decisions to Charles which is now in progress re. who will be working royal and plans going forward. However, they will report back and work within permitted framework.

The role is continuously learning on the job, always learning how to work within the permitted framework. It's not ever a finished done deal, everyone's learning and has to continually take advice as they adapt to reflect modern times. H&M have no capacity to take advice.

There will be a great deal of slimming down coming ahead. Charles has long wanted it, and the Queen has asked Charles and William to start shaping that now - we will hear no doubt when that has finished what the result will be.

I think Meghan genuinely didn't have a clue. There was a slow dawning on her after the wedding (where she didn't get her tiara of choice and she realised would have to settle for a smaller pad in Kensington Palace than Wills and Kate) of exactly how strict a hierarchy she was marrying into. In her own mind she was the greatest asset to the Royal Family ever and she could have been, but Meghan wanted to be the leading lady not the best supporting actress - destined inevitably to fall further and further down the pecking order, expected to curtsey to those ahead of her in the line. Harry may have tried to explain to her, but I don't think she could quite get her head round it - see her surprise at being expected to curtsey to the Queen when she was first introduced. I genuinely think she couldn't grasp why Archie wouldn't be a prince. It comes down to "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets" and when she didn't get what she wanted she stormed off. Better to be Queen of California - elevated to A-list celebrity (because let's be honest which of us had ever really heard of Suits before Meghan started walking out with Harry) - than hang around in the UK in the expectation of being relegated to the rank of minor royal.

Don't forget everyone at the Palace really wanted it to work. Meghan was the new modern face of the BRF. People were very invested in her being a success. Of course they gave her guidance and direction. I think she just didn't see that any rules and constraints would apply to her.

no, the only tosh is what you say Rousette, how dismissive to imagine the Queen doesn't have a firm handle on affairs - it's a role she takes extremely seriously. That will change as she gets increasingly older as she has recently handed certain decisions to Charles which is now in progress re. who will be working royal and plans going forward. However, they will report back and work within permitted framework

Do you work at the Palace?

No, thought not.

In which case you do not know any of this. Of course she takes the role seriously lol. She's been doing it for 70 odd years! But you cannot say ... about a 95 year old that she is only just starting to hand stuff over as she gets increasingly older.
For all we know, she is just rubberstamping a few decisions that Charles suggests to her, and he is running the show.
Unless you or I know a courtier or a Palace official, we cannot say. Neither of us.

But there is no getting away from her age. She may be stoical, strong, dedicated... but she is 95. The brain function starts to shrink from about 60 years old, however I don't doubt she has a handle on some things, but not all.

I think some of the slimming won't just be the number of senior Royals but it has to be the amount of work and patronage that they all hold.

Maybe they'll be suggestions that some charities could merge. It's mind boggling the number of MH charities and cancer charities which must have overlap in the work they do.

But some slimming will be natural as the minor Royals age, ie Kents and Gloucesters.

Buy it certainly makes sense for Charles and William to be working on the future of the monarchy now and together.

I think she just didn't see that any rules and constraints would apply to her. This with knobs on.

The slimming would have been completely natural.

None of Charles’ nieces and nephews were joining the working fold.

Then the Kents and Gloucesters roles have naturally decreased as the younger royals have increased theirs. And they in time won’t be replaced directly by their children so the shift would move.

It would have gone naturally from the Queen, Philip, Charles, Camilla, Anne, Andrew, Edward, Sophie, Gloucesters x2, Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra to the elder ones being part time slowing down with William, Kate, Harry and Meghan being part time as they built up.

Then for Charles’ reign you’d have Charles, Camilla, Anne, Andrew, Edward, Sophie, William, Kate Harry and Meghan. So they’d have cut down by around 2 full time roles. Then as the older ones cut down and William’s children age you’d have a little more slimming.

The losing of three full time working royals unexpectedly is going to need a re-working. Especially as they are three of the younger ones (Andrew and Edward being so much younger than Charles was going to make them handy for William as they’ve very likely to be around for a while longer than his father).

And anyone who thinks a 95 year old woman is running everything with a tight grip is deluded.

I'm sure she has handed much of the day to day work over, but reportedly she was still very much in charge in the aftermath of the Oprah interview, when she had meetings with Charles and William, wouldn't sign off the first go at a response, stopped Charles from responding the way he wanted to and decided on a more measured, diplomatic approach.

Rous - have you heard of a thing called education and being able to comprehend facts?

You do like being rude to people don't you?
If it's not Mummy, it's me.
It does you no favours, you know.

It does turn out that some people are more correct on this thread than others are. It's not an opinion, facts are facts

Nah.
You just think you are.

Crocidura

I'm pretty sure she's handed much of the day work over too. I agree with you.
There is only so much a very elderly person can do.
But of course... for me saying that, I'm told I haven't heard of education and I'm unable to comprehend facts.
Laughable!

@LillianGish

I think Meghan genuinely didn't have a clue. There was a slow dawning on her after the wedding (where she didn't get her tiara of choice and she realised would have to settle for a smaller pad in Kensington Palace than Wills and Kate) of exactly how strict a hierarchy she was marrying into. In her own mind she was the greatest asset to the Royal Family ever and she could have been, but Meghan wanted to be the leading lady not the best supporting actress - destined inevitably to fall further and further down the pecking order, expected to curtsey to those ahead of her in the line. Harry may have tried to explain to her, but I don't think she could quite get her head round it - see her surprise at being expected to curtsey to the Queen when she was first introduced. I genuinely think she couldn't grasp why Archie wouldn't be a prince. It comes down to "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets" and when she didn't get what she wanted she stormed off. Better to be Queen of California - elevated to A-list celebrity (because let's be honest which of us had ever really heard of Suits before Meghan started walking out with Harry) - than hang around in the UK in the expectation of being relegated to the rank of minor royal.

Totally agree. I just really don't understand why she didn't take the time and trouble to really think through what was expected of her. No one needed to tell her, she just needed to do a bit of research. Her ignorance is really hard to comprehend.

funny, you don't tell mummy off for calling others that disagree with her "racist" or speaking of "white supremacy" ...... oh my, the hypocrisy.

I assure you I save being unpleasant only for for people that race bait. HTH

I respond to the posters using race to create division, your posts I generally just ignore, but you do like to tell me off regularly. Boring.

I'm glad you admit you are unpleasant to posters, it helps others understand you better but it really isn't necessary you know...
I don't tell you off, I just don't agree with you and your assumptions of what's happening in the Palace. Neither of us know, that's the only fact there is.

Now.... moving on... there was a very interesting article I read the other day.

Before I get slated for quoting from it, please understand it is an opinion piece by Louise Mensch. And not fact. But I found it interesting and wondered if others do.

To precis it.... Louise appears to think that both Andrew's & Harry's titles will be removed from them before the summer. The reason being because of Andrew and the Maxwell trial and the ongoing scandal and damage to the monarchy.

It is about removing threats to the Monarchy and one cannot be removed without the other. Obviously.

The last para is the key one.

Here

I'm unpleasant to people that call others racist because they don't agree with their opinion.

Or people that defend people calling others racist and phrases such as white supremacy. Nice company you keep.

So yes others can definitely be clear on where we both stand on that, if there was any doubt.

Not a huge fan of Louise Mensch but it is an interesting article. Looks like a rocky few months ahead for them all. Poor old Charles, waiting for years to take the throne and then his first job is to deal with his disgraced brother.

Her ignorance is really hard to comprehend. her ignorance is because she's American. I think the hierarchy of the Royal Family is impossible to comprehend to anyone who is not British - even when it is explained to them. A Brit might have learn the precise protocol, but they would not be surprised that such a protocol existed and that they would be expected to conform to it. There's a lot of debate about Meghan's problems stemming from the fact she is mixed race, but I think the biggest problem is that she is American.

A very interesting article @Roussette and I completely agree with all that was written in it. Thanks for the link.

@Mummy194, I found your earlier post really offensive. I’m not going to repeat it or quote it. I think you’ll know which one I mean. I can’t believe it’s not been taken down. Other posts have been removed for far less.