Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

@StartupRepair

I agree

I think Meghan and Harry have spoken without checking their facts -- if they want to live abroad earning their own money - good luck to them - but don't try to use the RF family name - nor throw a racism grenade without naming the person or getting on a massively watched TV programme whilst doing it. It is naughty . .

@amusedtodeath1 I agree with you also

They should have checked their facts - but that does not negate their feelings - but a constitutional monarchy has rules - they should have known this.

Just catching up. @DeeCeeCherry I’d be appalled by that and I actually don’t read tabloids etc in my spare time so unless they’re shared on here first I wouldn’t have known about it.

Also @TruelyWonder Who are the regulars? I Not everyone comes back to threads, I usually don’t. I just came back to this one as, for the most part, the discussion seemed constructive and I was actually learning a few things at first such as the level of cronyism. I can’t seem to find the post, I can’t remember the names mentioned and I didn’t agree with everything the poster said but they mentioned a few things that shocked me about the level of cronyism that seemed well researched. Didn’t get a chance to look into all the names mentioned though but it seemed very plausible. I now can’t seem to find that comment but I do remember reading it. Plus It’s nice that if you “see anything racist… people would know.” I usually report it if I have seen something racist. I do agree with your previous statement that Harry does seem misinformed.

I, too, think the racism is a 'red herring', see someone else's earlier post (dont know how to reference).
Basically, Everyone was all for them when they got married, but lecturing the public on flights, while themselves flying everywhere by private jet, including back to New York for a baby shower, did not go down well with the public (press).
I really think Meghan was confused between celebrity and Royal Family. It has been stated than she often ignored advice; ie wear a hat to some engagement, but she said No. (I hate hats as well, but when accompanying the Queen, you do what is expected, I guess).
My perception is that she preferred her US advisors, who were not up on Royal Family protocol.
It really must have irked that whatever she did, William (and Kate), would always come first.
The stupid thing was that they decided to return to the US, sue the newspapers, at a time, when they had actually received some very favourable publicitiy on their tour.
It seemed to me that media person Piers Morgan was very much against her, but a lot of the negative comments were 'below the line'.
Kate was not only called Waity Katy, but there was also the 'Doors to Manual', comments. (No, not sure what they mean, but something to do with her mother formerly being Air Cabin Crew).
So, I actually think Meghan wanted back to LA, and lambasting the RF was the way to go. Harry, obviously had to go with her, because of Archie, and they are using that as an excuse.

See? That’s the thing. The South Africa tour did have good coverage but I think they were already on a defensive mode from previous publications. They decided to sue when coverage was starting to be favourable. That’s when I started to think that they must have been severely misinformed by their advisors or decided to go their own route. It seemed like an odd time to do an interview and I felt like it was a very American approach where they might have thought that they had some public sympathy so they can air their woes and sue media publications thinking the tide was turning in their favour. It seems like an odd timing.

I just feel like they’re very naive individuals and I don’t think even Harry was aware of how stifling protocols were as he probably had fewer responsibilities than William or was the “party Prince” or the “Prince of hearts” so probably assumed he could make a lot more changes and doesn’t have to adhere to these rules and protocols as much. Perhaps this why Meghan wasn’t told by him because he just assumed that it’s not a big deal and her being the breath of fresh air, they can modernise them monarchy Certainly some of these protocols do sound weird but he must have been aware of them as that’s his family.

the monarchy*

Once more, this thread is based on a lie. Accusing MM of saying something that she never said. There was no misunderstanding of anything. No celebrity chasing.

The only people who seem bitter, angry and whiny are the media, royalist, trolls and those who post 50 posts a day berating H&M.

The press are doing their best to make out like the Oprah interview was a bad idea, the same with the Diana interview. They were not, people got to hear their point of view as all sorts of things had been reported about them.

The interview was way more than H&M themselves, it was their duty to tell us what is happening in a ruling institution. Imagine if years later people come out with what is going on H&M kept quiet all the time. Not only would these things carry on within the firm, but it would be a disappointment and contradiction for them not to stand up to what is wrong.

The press and palace are trying their best to discredit H&M by saying there were lies, and try to take away the real important issues of the interview like MH, racism etc.

I wish people would not try to minimise racism as a 'red herring'. It's horrible and should not happen.

The thread is about Omid Scibie's public assertion that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Is the comment that 'this thread is based on a lie' stating that Scobie is wrong? And if so, has he retracted?

The announcement was made in SA because that was when the lawsuit was coming out as public information.

Tom Bradby had to ask them as a result and they answered a direct question, directly.

The flight thing was just another media insidiousness. H&M never told people not to fly private, they said fly responsibly by carbon offsetting and other means. This is what Travelyst is all about. When Elton John tried to explain, he was shut down, and the media egged on everyone into a frenzy about 'hypocrites'.

Just as they never said they wanted a quiet private life. They gave us a list of objective publications they were willing to work with, who would not twist things.

@EdithWeston

The thread is about Omid Scibie's public assertion that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Is the comment that 'this thread is based on a lie' stating that Scobie is wrong? And if so, has he retracted?

Go back one or two pages, I already posted what OS said. His words were twisted. It's all a lie.

But on a good note for H&M, now that people are out gathering, he got a standing ovation for his speech for the Vax initiative.

Nice to see him being where he is actually appreciated.

@Mummy194 but they did keep quiet at first when they wanted to be half in and half out didn’t they?

I have read that they were forced into quickly announcing it as it was going to be leaked but they did initially say they wanted to carry on supporting the Queen- and they knew all this stuff then.

That is what I can’t get my head round.

There were those two things in quick succession around the time of the tour to South Africa - firstly complaining about their lives against a backdrop of such poverty and hardship, and then saying that the Royal Family didn't understand how to deploy this couple who had single-handedly modernised the monarchy.

The first came across as unbelievably tone deaf, and the second completely deluded, disrespectful and up themselves. It seems like they really thought they were going to be the big stars, but of course it was never going to work like that. They were never going to win that argument. And then it all went downhill from there.

They would undoubtedly have been big stars and could have done an enormous amount of good if only they had accepted that the royal family is all about the line of succession and Harry is not actually that significant.

@Nishky

If they were allowed the half in and out, it would have meant they could slowly help in rectifying some of the problems though without being at the centre of the palaces. It made sense to me that they are away to calm things down, as they seemed clearly not very welcome there.

When the RF said you can just go then, I think the penny dropped that the firm had no intention on working on change.

I don't even get what the firm's problem with half in and out anyway. The other royals help the queen as and when needed while doing work outside. And telling MM to stay in acting, literally means the Sussexes would he half in (H) and half out (M). And closer to the crown, didn't Andy just make a business deal with some rapist while maintaining his HRH ?

but lecturing the public on flights, while themselves flying everywhere by private jet,

But that is factually untrue.

Meghan has rarely if ever spoken about environmentalism or climate change (certainly never "lectured the public on flights") and Harry's only significant action in supporting environmentalism appears to be a brief thing on Instagram.

William and Charles both actively set themselves up as environmental campaigners and both have made environmental issues one of their key issues, to the point William accepted a major award for his work on raising awareness of environmental issues, yet both travel by private jet a thousand times more than Harry and Meghan, with rarely a word of criticism.

Why the double standard? H&M certainly engaged in a minor bit of hypocrisy by following environmental accounts on Insta while jetting to France, but by any objective standard Charles and William have engaged in far worse hypocrisy with little press attention and no loss of popularity.

Yes, he did. I bet he was pissed off that that fact got out. He established a Company last summer with a friend who has been accused of sexual offences and who had to leave Coutts, the Queen's bankers under a cloud.
The RF have put the brakes on it, not sure it's happened.

Bit slow in typing there.... my post is about Andrew. Pretty obvious really when we talk of friends who are sex offenders!

The press are doing their best to make out like the Oprah interview was a bad idea, the same with the Diana interview. They were not, people got to hear their point of view as all sorts of things had been reported about them. It was a bad idea. Of course Meghan and Harry were raising an important issue namely racism. They accused an unnamed person in the family of racism. The result of that was the rest of the family who had not said anything racist have a cloud of suspicion over them. The upshot of that is that Harry is on poor terms with his closest family in the UK. Do you think that is a good outcome Mummy? Honestly? I think its extremely sad for all concerned.

Oh bite off @DeeCeeCherry not everyone who dislikes MM is racist and no one has said anything racist about her son.

Do you mean on this thread specifically, or in general?

There's not been anything racist said on this thread, as far as I can see, but there's certainly been plenty of racist comments made about Archie in the past and there are tons of racist comments about Archie on Twitter.

But the majority of people are not inherently racist and racism get very short thrift amongst the public these days, it's wrong end of.
It really really doesn't. The sheer scale of unbridled racism and racism-denial in society is exhausting and terrifying. There is so much racism on MN, and it mostly goes unchallenged and WOC's experience of racism is constantly undermined and dismissed. Try starting any thread with the title "was this racist" and see angry posters flood in determined before they've even opened the thread to prove the "this" was not racist.

@Crocidura

There were those two things in quick succession around the time of the tour to South Africa - firstly complaining about their lives against a backdrop of such poverty and hardship, and then saying that the Royal Family didn't understand how to deploy this couple who had single-handedly modernised the monarchy.

The first came across as unbelievably tone deaf, and the second completely deluded, disrespectful and up themselves. It seems like they really thought they were going to be the big stars, but of course it was never going to work like that. They were never going to win that argument. And then it all went downhill from there.

They would undoubtedly have been big stars and could have done an enormous amount of good if only they had accepted that the royal family is all about the line of succession and Harry is not actually that significant.

This.

@derxa

It would have been a big issue for them to just name the person though. The RF knows who it is, and this gave them a leeway to explain themselves and apologise, and they did not. Think of it this way. You see someone do something wrong, so you tell them to report themselves and explain, or you will do it, and it will not come out right.

They clarified in the interview that they themselves were not being listened to, so it's not like they were getting any support on anything.

His family can either choose to stand fast on their bigotry or admit what they did and work to be better next time. Up to them.

@Mummy194 I never thought of it like that, it does make more sense from that angle, thanks

His family can either choose to stand fast on their bigotry or admit what they did and work to be better next time.

Assuming that this part of the Oprah interview is true, of course.

(The Queen, with her "recollections may vary" seems to dispute at least some of what they said.)