I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

I know dido
I wonder how long that site will stay up.

@slithytoveisascientist

She probably did fall pregnant quite quickly after - one we are more fertile after a loss and two I have found as have many women I’ve spoken to that it feels like something you HAVE to do after a loss to start to heal.

Not sure why anyone would take that as negative, I see it as a good thing .

Correct, I had 2 losses last year and am hoping my current pregnancy will go to term

Oh Port1a
Good luck to you.

Thank you Rousette I'm hoping to have a little boy but really don't mind a girl just so long as he/she is healthy and goes to term, got a scan on Tuesday so am hoping for the best. Miscarriage is no fun and I really sympathise with any woman that's been through it including Meghan

Fingers x'd for your scan!

All the best for your scan @Port1aCastis

Thank you

@slithytoveisascientist

I also don’t see it as negative to hope or speculate that a child inherits his mother’s colouring

That is leaving part of it out. Fine to say hope a child gets their mother's colouring but why do we need to be negative about someone else's colouring. If we said I hope the baby isn't dark it would be offensive and everyone would agree. To say I hope they aren't pasty is just as offensive but lots of people seem to think that is OK.

The only way talking about a child being pasty wouldn't be offensive would be someone saying it as a positive and clearly it wasn't.

I think people who want to minimise it need to look at their motivation and reflect on their attitude to people with red hair and a fair complexion.

If we said I hope the baby isn't dark it would be offensive and everyone would agree. To say I hope they aren't pasty is just as offensive but lots of people seem to think that is OK.

Those two things are absolutely not the same. One is rude. One is racist.

Rude and racist are not the same thing.

@ohforarainyday

If we said I hope the baby isn't dark it would be offensive and everyone would agree. To say I hope they aren't pasty is just as offensive but lots of people seem to think that is OK.

Those two things are absolutely not the same. One is rude. One is racist.

Rude and racist are not the same thing.

Both are offensive, both are about making someone else less, judged as in some way inferior. No one is using pasty as a compliment so why would someone say that about a baby not yet born? Should Harry and Meghan hide their children if they turn out to be pasty?

It's so cool isn't it, shows you aren't prejudiced as you say, "Oh I hope he's dark" completely missing the point you are showing your prejudice of "pasty ginger" people.

I agree with that AncientGran however I was replying to the poster who implied it was racist to mention Meghans colouring

Oh my fucking god my post got deleted? How the fuck did it break talk guidelines

@ancientgran this is the post I was replying to, not the original

strange.
a photo appears of Louis lots of isn't he cute type stuff.
one of Archie and his hair and skin colouring are mentioned ...oh and how quickly Meghan must have got pregnant after a miscarriage.hmm
odd

Like, not all mentions of these things are negative or racists.

I hope anyone who has a miscarriage gets pregnant immediately should they want to!

ancientgran

"Pasty" suggests temporarily insufficient funds to briefly stop work to get some sun.

"Too dark" harks to the modern iteration of racism which was initiated in the bloody trade of humans, to inescapably labour to their gruesome deaths, just so that western Europe could have sugar, tobacco and cotton.

The former is a touch bit insulting of one's current means, the latter refers to the inhuman death-trade imposed on the ancestors of the child.

They are not the same.

@PicsInRed

ancientgran

"Pasty" suggests temporarily insufficient funds to briefly stop work to get some sun.

"Too dark" harks to the modern iteration of racism which was initiated in the bloody trade of humans, to inescapably labour to their gruesome deaths, just so that western Europe could have sugar, tobacco and cotton.

The former is a touch bit insulting of one's current means, the latter refers to the inhuman death-trade imposed on the ancestors of the child.

They are not the same.

So when the poster referred to him being ginger and hoping he didn't have the pasty colouring that went with it she was thinking Harry and Meghan might have a baby that has insufficient funds to briefly stop work and get some sun? Very poor attempt.

Too dark doesn't necessarily mean black. Just think of one of Prince Andrew's daughters married to an Italian. You could just as easily say how lovely if her baby has the Ferguson red hair but gets dads darker complexion.

You are the one seeing racism in it.

They are both rude, why try to justify it?

[quote slithytoveisascientist]@ancientgran this is the post I was replying to, not the original

strange.
a photo appears of Louis lots of isn't he cute type stuff.
one of Archie and his hair and skin colouring are mentioned ...oh and how quickly Meghan must have got pregnant after a miscarriage.hmm
odd

Like, not all mentions of these things are negative or racists.

I hope anyone who has a miscarriage gets pregnant immediately should they want to![/quote]
Yes I was just expanding. The last sentence wasn't referring to you, I can see it could read like that.

I wouldn't worry about getting deleted, I got deleted for ask if someone who seemed to be getting upset if they were OK. At the same time nasty posts get left.

@slithytoveisascientist

She probably did fall pregnant quite quickly after - one we are more fertile after a loss and two I have found as have many women I’ve spoken to that it feels like something you HAVE to do after a loss to start to heal.

Not sure why anyone would take that as negative, I see it as a good thing .

I would have assumed people would want to get pregnant again quickly. I've never had a miscarriage, well back in the days when you didn't find out until much later than now I thought I was pregnant, missed a period, next period was horrible so I might have. I got pregnant straight after that and was very happy about it and even happier when at 41 weeks he put in an appearance.

It’s a real thing, it’s called empty arms. My eldest died during term labour and it was only when I was pregnant again I could start to grieve her. Hormones and grief are a weird mix.

oh slithy Am so so sorry

slithy that is so so hard

Slithy so sorry for your loss, miscarriage is bad enough let alone a term loss

Life can be so cruel - for you slithy

That must have been very difficult for you sligthy 💐x

So sorry slithy.

I had 3 miscarriages and each time I was desperate to get pregnant as soon as possible.

No one ever told me to wait x months.

Although when I got pregnant straight after MC3, and they asked for the date of my last period, and I didn't have one , they were much bemused. They didn't seem to view my miscarriage as counting as a last period (although to be fair I would have been outraged had anyone suggested that I saw it as a period so I do get it).

slithy