I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

Mummy194 I have just checked a couple of BM sources and Harry’s earth day video features in the DM.

Pics in red, thanks for that!

I have wondered if some posters have forgotton all of this... How embarrassing for William and Harry, William relations with Charles have also been rock bottom, they have worked through things or come to an accord.. Harry's have blown up but he's not done anything dad hasn't and yet Harry's not hurt his own dc like Charles did.

@StormzyinaTCup

Mummy194 I have just checked a couple of BM sources and Harry’s earth day video features in the DM.

Most likely hidden in some little corner of the internet somewhere, very unlikely to make print - only the negative stories do.

Basically I can't understand this train of thought that Harry has soley let me down this solid incredible unreproachable family...

PC did do his own sit down interview. It was mostly to disparage Diana's own words.

But here he is admitting to having an affair

www.dailymotion.com/video/x5y7rsa

Ok so to fight back and disparage the mother of his dc words... On a public arena...

Most likely hidden in some little corner of the internet somewhere, very unlikely to make print - only the negative stories do.

It’s reasonably prominent and they are playing the video alongside the headline. No idea if it will make the printed version but I’m not sure how relevant that is anymore, I can’t remember the last time I bought an actual newspaper from a shop (would be a few years ago when the DCs had their Guinea Pigs so a printed newspaper was a necessity).

I think the reverse is true with regard to print/online news isn't it? - Isn't the DM one of the most accessed websites in the world - their online presence far outweighs their print sales. So in terms of reaching an audience, a prominently placed article online (with some longevity) is likely to have a wider readership than anything in the print version..

ETA - have just checked and DM print has a daily readership of c2million and a monthly website visitor track of over 300million

@Whereisthewarmth

Ok so to fight back and disparage the mother of his dc words... On a public arena...

So he didn't have a right of reply? Her interview was pretty nasty wasn't it? I know I felt really sorry for William and Harry and thought it must have been awful for them at school.

It was the other way round, ancientgran; Charles's Dimbleby interview was in 1994 and Diana's Bashir one in 1995

He may have wanted to "put his side" but it certainly wasn't in response to "her" interview since it hadn't happened then

@Puzzledandpissedoff

It was the other way round, ancientgran; Charles's Dimbleby interview was in 1994 and Diana's Bashir one in 1995

He may have wanted to "put his side" but it certainly wasn't in response to "her" interview since it hadn't happened then

Really, I thought I saw her first, actually I might have thinking about it as I had two under twos a teenager doing A levels and a disabled husband to look after in 1994, 1995 wasn't much better so I must have watched them later and other posters were saying he was replying so I didn't check the dates.

I do remember thinking it was a shame for W & H though, with both interviews and the books and the leaks. It must have been horrible for them.

Just had a look at the transcript of her interview. Very sad ending, "I sit here with hope because there's a future ahead, a future for my husband, a future for myself and a future for the monarchy.*

As I thought it wasn't a pleasant thing for children to hear about, her depression, self harm, men in her life, woman in her husband's life. I wonder if they got much thrown at them at school, kids can be so cruel.

Much is made about the Bashir interview because it was on the BBC. Diana's own words with Morton were recorded in 1991, then the book published in 1992.

I hope MM and harry get the hint and stop feeding stories to the British media because each one just seems to dig a bigger grave.

Of course she's not feeding stories to the British tabloids. The American papers, probably. Definitely not the British ones. Why would you leak to someone who bullied and racially harassed you for years, who you just came out of a nasty lawsuit with? If you see something in the British press it either came from the BFR, from the courtiers, or is made up.

MM and Harry seem to be the first royals in a long time to go against the usual royal tact of 'never complain, never explain.'

I agree that never complain never explain is a good policy but the Queen is probably of the last generation who actually did it. Charles complains a lot. The Cambridge press office shoots off outraged press releases every time anyone says anything about Kate's hair, not to mention legal threats and playing the human rights card to cover up William's alleged marital peccadillos.

Harry and Meghan are over-sensitive and shoot off without thinking it through, but William and Kate are the same, they just have the protection of the BRF and substantial media goodwill behind them, so they can fight their battles without getting their hands dirty.

Hell the Queen made a personal statement to the press asking them to leave Sophie alone, and what Sophie did was objectively worse than anything Meghan was accused of.

I don't know why people get so worked up about this tbh. They're all just people, they are as imperfect as the rest of us. This is a family squabble and should have stayed out of the press. I have always liked Harry, I'd seen Meghan in suits, she was ok in it. I think the Queen should be respected, if for nothing else than because she is elderly and has served her country for a lifetime. I think Andrew should speak to the FBI and that Charles was unfair to Diana, but that him not being able to marry the woman he loved was unfair too. I'm disappointed that it's come to this tbh, I think it's sad and embarrassing for them and to watch.

They all need to sort themselves out and I truly hope that Charles cleans house when he takes over. The old ways need to be reformed. I love the History of the Royal lines, Royal history is English History and I would like to preserve the RF for no other reason than continuing thousand of years of legacy, BUT the palace system, needs chucking out the window and rehashing. It just doesn't work in today's society.

By the same token the press in this country need reigning in. The one thing I will say about MMs treatment in the press and why it was so much worse than previous royal brides is because their family weren't selling malicious stories about them.

What did Sophie do?

@Mummy194 @PicsInRed

You are both very dismissive of what was done to Sophie.

The sting was perpetrated by Mazher Mahmood, who more recently has been imprisoned for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice following a career of dubious journalistic practice.

At the time, he was working for the News of the World, which has since been closed down following the phone hacking scandal.

In my view Sophie did not do anything wrong beyond expressing some not very shocking personal opinions to someone who was posing as a potential client and yet she lost her career because of the sheer gleeful viciousness of these journalists.

This discussion does not need to be a competition as to which poor bloody woman has been treated worst by the media. I was merely pointing out that the assertion that Sophie was given an easy ride is false.

Accepting that Sophie and Sarah were also treated badly does not cancel out your outrage on Megan’s behalf.

@amusedtodeath1. Great post

HeddaGarbled

Sophie's indiscretions were at a meeting where she and her business partner thought they were selling access to her and possibly Prince Ed for publicity to the fake sheikh (who they thought was a real sheikh).

Selling access to royalty was what was going on there and the sting came from tip offs that they were known to be willing to sell.

That wasn't done to her. She did that.

Charles was unfair to Diana, but that him not being able to marry the woman he loved was unfair too

Yes, Diana has only met him 7 times before they announced the engagement, and 13/14 times before the wedding.
She was 19/20 he was 32 I cannot get my head around why her family didn't say NO, slow down, at least get to know him first.

It was very unfair to them both. I bet if they'd had more time quietly getting to know one another they'd have broken it off.

I was reading that AndrewPB only proposed to Camilla after their families colluded to put an engagement notice in the paper.

4 people all pushed into marriages that probably wouldn't have happened if they'd been left to their own devices.

Ohforarainyday why keep leaking anywhere when they want to get out of the royal circus? Why not just drop it? That's what I dont understand it just feels so damaging and it's draining to watch and makes H&M look so petty. It undermines their position. They should let their good deeds from here on in do the talking.

By 'shooting off' without the media protection William and kate have they come across as petulant and immature. You would have thought they would have worked this out by now?

But when have they leaked lately?

I just feel that even announcing they've had the baby will be classed as a leak!

I do agree they should let their good stuff do the talking. Totally agree.

The Willow Crossley wreath?

She was 19/20 he was 32 I cannot get my head around why her family didn't say NO, slow down, at least get to know him first.
because she was marrying the future king. it was pretty much a arranged marriage.