I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

MM and Harry seem to be the first royals in a long time to go against the usual royal tact of 'never complain, never explain.' On one hand this is admirable but on the other it means they are always trying to win a fight and I imagine it is very painful for them. Unfortunately they seem to have lost the court of public opinion in Britain but that's how it goes when you get into fights: sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

@mermaidsariel

Fergie did bring a lot of it on herself though. She really had no awareness of how she was coming across. The toe sucking incident was just awful. Her young kids were watching her and her boyfriend at the time too.

Yes, she was unbelievably indiscreet. I remember that incident being reported in the press and it was cringeworthy.

However I do quite like Fergie, she seems basically warm hearted.

This is just clearly assuming that H&M are in the wrong here. All of this, the interview and GK are consequences of what KP has done. Almost 4yrs of abuse and negative leaking from the palace, and GK an answer to Roya Nikkah Sunday times article.

I disagree in the sense the interview and GK were not consequences, they were choices.

As were the numerous ill advised statements and collaborations they have made.

I don't presume that H&M "should" forgive slights/hurt against them whatsoever.

That said, the allegations brought to light via book collaborations and interviews were very much damaged by a number of aspects of their "narrative" being proven to untrue or at best misleading.

Even if you take the stance "they were in the right" and everything they said was true what has that collaboration with OW/GK bought them? Peace of mind? A sense of justice/retribution?

Was that really worth the damage it's caused? Presumably to them yes...

However most people think the only winners here have been the OW/GK and the Press.

Just because you're royalty and being interviewed by the Queen of TV doesn't make airing your dirty linen in public any more classy than than a commoner doing the same on Jeremy Kyle.

It was a stupid move regardless of whether they were in the right or in the wrong - especially when they were in a really good place (new home, new baby, nexflix deal etc) to move forward in a positive way and demonstrate their credibility in their "new world" rather than use their position to denigrate their "old world" that provided the very platform for the opportunities they had been able to exploit.

@mermaidsariel

They left M to get in with it too. She stuffed uo.

You want stuffed up?

Google what Sophie did she tried to sell access to the "fake sheik" how cringe.

Here's a 20 year old copy of the Guardian. Just read what she said, soooooo embarrassing, so personal, so indiscreet.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/08/uk.news

After THAT The press then let her get over it. Why leave her be and not Meghan? Three guesses why? You need only one.

I don't know how you think they were moving forward when all these stories were still circulating. I simply cannot blame them for setting the record straight - why should the palace and the media get away with smearing them and telling lies.
Over 60M people obviously wanted to hear what on earth is going on.

A nice scoop for OW and GK, but one they would still do fine without, they are long established and worked hard in their fields having started on nothing. But then again, they are reliable and trustworthy to a lot of people, mostly due to their hard work. So it works both ways. Both OW and GK are not known to back any ol random, shady person. They have made it clear that this is what is coming from the Sussexes.

There were no lies in their interview, just twisting from the BM.

@mermaidsariel

Fergie did bring a lot of it on herself though. She really had no awareness of how she was coming across. The toe sucking incident was just awful. Her young kids were watching her and her boyfriend at the time too.

Yes it was disgusting that little Eugenie was close by when that happened. Maybe that’s what PP found so hard to forgive.

@PicsInRed

this is the only time I remember Sophie getting attacked, which lead to her being criticised for the PR company. Also people forget that both her and Edwards's companies were financially going under anyway.

MM getting attacked all the time. Her crime? Being too wide eyed and bushy tailed about charities !

@Greenshoots321

MM and Harry seem to be the first royals in a long time to go against the usual royal tact of 'never complain, never explain.' On one hand this is admirable but on the other it means they are always trying to win a fight and I imagine it is very painful for them. Unfortunately they seem to have lost the court of public opinion in Britain but that's how it goes when you get into fights: sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

Prince Charles had a massive whinge to Dimbleby and the entire nation.

Never complain? Crikey, the man never stopped.

Look what I found, still up? Thanks Associated Press.

apnews.com/article/5bfc56470d3ac6aca711a47bd216c10c

*I don't know how you think they were moving forward when all these stories were still circulating. I simply cannot blame them for setting the record straight - why should the palace and the media get away with smearing them and telling lies.
Over 60M people obviously wanted to hear what on earth is going on. *

But they didn't set the record straight did they...

They made a number of allegations that can't be proven but some that could be proven as untrue - putting everything they said in doubt.

Add in some home goals like H (despite being and advocate for mental health and having received counselling himself) being "embarrassed" when M was suffering. Seriously....it was an absolute car crash for them just as much as for the RF.

All they did was muddy the waters to no benefit to anyone other than the press.

They also were moving forward unless you think gaining a $100m deal with Netflix (plus $30m for Spotify), a $14m home and a new baby on the way was simply "surviving" rather than "thriving".

That interview (and the Cordon one) was utterly self indulgent and to their detriment.

Their best response to all of this would have been to focus on their streaming deals and become known in their own right for producing high quality content.

Harry did the right thing going home to his family. There wasn't a chance for meaningful rapprochement as the funeral/grieving should take centre stage, curse the press for whipping up a frenzy about interrelationships between them at a time when the focus should not be on that.

The brothers won't be as close as they once were but any animosity (if it exists) should burn out over time. It's more ruffled feathers and adapting to the new status quo. Although the Oprah interview does create a permanent barrier to easy speech within the family.

Could it be that Sophie's stuff is forgotten, Andrew's stuff is not in the press every day, people have stopped calling Kate waity Katy etc because andrew sophie and kate didn't try and argue back against the machine which is the RF and the machine that is the British Press? Who can be brutal bullies at the best of times as we've seen so many times in the past.

On one hand it's great that MM argues back on the regular but on the other you have to question why she does it when she was a fully grown adult when she married into the RF.

If the British Press and the RF are not for you because they are brutal and you wont like them saying stuff about you and damaging your brand or name or whatever best not to marry a British prince. Because any woman gets it in the neck when they do.

The RF are going to protect the inner circle only, that is how most family operates I think. People who marry in never get the same protection it's just the way it goes unfortunately. I'm sure there is a load of stuff Kate has had to just suck up over the years and she does it because she knew she was marrying into an institution she was never going to change and she must have decided she was just going to adapt to it.

@Mummy194

I don't know how you think they were moving forward when all these stories were still circulating. I simply cannot blame them for setting the record straight - why should the palace and the media get away with smearing them and telling lies. Over 60M people obviously wanted to hear what on earth is going on.

A nice scoop for OW and GK, but one they would still do fine without, they are long established and worked hard in their fields having started on nothing. But then again, they are reliable and trustworthy to a lot of people, mostly due to their hard work. So it works both ways. Both OW and GK are not known to back any ol random, shady person. They have made it clear that this is what is coming from the Sussexes.

There were no lies in their interview, just twisting from the BM.

Didn't OW do an interview with Michael Jackson? He was shady.

@mermaidsariel

Fergie did bring a lot of it on herself though. She really had no awareness of how she was coming across. The toe sucking incident was just awful. Her young kids were watching her and her boyfriend at the time too.

Be fair, she'd had years of abuse before that.

Didn't OW do an interview with Michael Jackson? He was shady.

The interview was in 1993. DO you even know what it was about? Are you aware that MJ was cleared in court. Are you aware that OW was attacked by MJ fans after?

They also were moving forward unless you think gaining a $100m deal with Netflix (plus $30m for Spotify), a $14m home and a new baby on the way was simply "surviving" rather than "thriving".

Yes, very successful and trying to move forward, except this stain of the the Palace leaks trying to drag them back with smears and leaks. They have to shake that off !

Mummy194 they can shake it off more easily if they stop reacting to things and disassociate themselves for a while from the mainstream media. Can you not see that? They have played a role too in the dance with the media. Things have continued on because of how they seem to constantly want to control the narrative.

Couldn't care less. He was a dodgy character and OW did an interview with him and said how much she liked him so I don't think that is a ringing endorsement of her judgement.

You said, "So it works both ways. Both OW and GK are not known to back any ol random, shady person.* but OW did back MJ, such a likeable character.

Not all of the cases got to court you know, he bought people off. Are you seriously coming on here to back MJ?

And speaking of their successes , today is World Earth day and H has done a lovely voiceover for nature. Will leave ti here since the BM will make sure not to publish it, so people on here will go on about how they do nothing for the environment and charities.

www.africanparks.org/watch-hope-starts-here

@Greenshoots321

Mummy194 they can shake it off more easily if they stop reacting to things and disassociate themselves for a while from the mainstream media. Can you not see that? They have played a role too in the dance with the media. Things have continued on because of how they seem to constantly want to control the narrative.

they. have tried that, even gave us a list of publications they are not talking to, it has not stopped. The BM can leave CNN, Ruiters, WSJ etc. to carry on reporting since they have no beef with H&M, but they have to always insert themselves in the middle of H&M business. The tabloids must leave them alone.

But they supposedly want the British media to leave them alone so surely you should be thrilled if nothing they do is reported....

@ancientgran

Couldn't care less. He was a dodgy character and OW did an interview with him and said how much she liked him so I don't think that is a ringing endorsement of her judgement.

You said, "So it works both ways. Both OW and GK are not known to back any ol random, shady person.* but OW did back MJ, such a likeable character.

Not all of the cases got to court you know, he bought people off. Are you seriously coming on here to back MJ?

Oh stop it with the MJ. You are really grabbing at straws now.

He was a big star, who like all big stars would be interviewed by everyone. Everyone liked him before his hidden life came out. There are loads of people who bought his records back then. OW criticised him and got backlash from his fans when she knew what he had done.

This is really not the gotcha moment you think it is for OW.

@IrmaFayLear

But they supposedly want the British media to leave them alone so surely you should be thrilled if nothing they do is reported....

By the snarky British tabloids. Yes, absolutely !

Mummy194 you seem to be very close to them. Please tell them from us we dont wish them any harm but its getting tedious now. The public believe they are leaking through friends as they did with their book finding freedom. I'm sure if MM decides to concentrate on her humanitarian work and leave behind her need to be a famous brand harry will follow and they will both 'thrive and not just survive.' There is more to life than being a big name.

With the OW interview, etc, it just seems as though they are seeking global fame for the wrong reasons. If they had stayed in the RF and given it time and allowed the press to do their mean thing and just let it all go we would have bonded more with h and m and had some affection for them. I think the way to turn it around is to do good works without publicity, always the best purpose for anyone in their position. Also, they are very lucky to be in the position they are in. They are healthy, wealthy and have a lovely family and most people aspire to those things. They have choices. They dont need to look back xx

Mummy194 OW got it wrong, can you never accept people you think are great are actually human? You brought OW not supporting shady people into it, not me, you don't like anyone having another point of view but unfortunately I am entitled to my view that OW isn't this perfect judge of who is worthy and who isn't.

He was a big star, who like all big stars would be interviewed by everyone. Everyone liked him before his hidden life came out. There are loads of people who bought his records back then. OW criticised him and got backlash from his fans when she knew what he had done.

He is reported to have refused all interviews for 14 years before he was interviewed by OW. Tell us who all the everyones were who had interviewed him.