To wonder why Harry doesn't drop his titles now he's free of The Firm

[CateTown]

He and Meghan wanted the freedom to earn their own money and good luck to them there. He's confirmed two new roles and his new employers are introducing him as "Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex".

For his self respect, why doesn't he ask to be called Harry Wales or Harry Mountbatten Windsor. Then he'd know he's being hired for his skills rather than being used for his royal connections.

@ApplesPearsAndCrumble

But I bet he thinks he is worth it.

The [Prince Andrew-style] sense of entitlement is strong in this one.

Right, off to order chinese thanks to another thread. .....

Yes, he comes across of thinking much of himself, IMO.

AcrossthePond55 this is interesting. Thank you.

SoWhyNot

I would hope they aren’t lying but people have funny ideas of their own truths.

I had a hellish time at work with a bully. Four (FOUR!!) managers and a union rep had a different recollection of events - quite forgetting emails, recordings of meetings, witnesses to meetings and quite blatantly put their version down on their statements.

I challenged it as one it didn’t make sense (much like this pair) and two I had proof to the contrary.

I then got told that they had time to process matters and on reflection this was how they felt and they had possibly mis-spoke before and this was their new recollection.

I have no time for liars and it irks me hugely if someone has a version of their truth which bears only a fleeting resemblance to the actual truth.

The wedding will probably be a ‘I mis-spoke’, or y’all misunderstood, as will the actual timing of the comments regarding the colour of their child (got lost in translation) and their lack of security/funding/title conversations.

I think people can convince themselves over a period of time and with sympathetic ears that their truth is absolute.

But there are always two sides and sometimes there will be an absolute claim of truth which can be proven. Despite how convincing someone can try to be.

As you said, one would hope they knew the difference but I suspect the claims were as damaging as they could be whilst being disconcertingly vague. That doesn’t smack of stupid to me but sly.

It is a bloody pity that they chose to do such a daft thing because I think it will damage them long term.

But any shred of sympathy or support I may have had for them went slipping away after that interview. And I lost respect for OW too.

I could forgive daft. I cannot thole liars or storytellers who are out to damage others.

Thanks, Katherine - i had an image of Caroline pulling rank over Charlene when Charlene got uppity

I do think Harry has a great deal of respect and affection for his grandmother and he knows that would be 'a bridge too far'

I think, whether he realises it or not, he crossed that bridge with the Oprah interview.

CateTown

@CelestialGalaxy

Harry just comes across as a dumb petulant child with more chips (on his shoulder) than a casino.

This, too.

@SheldonesqueIsUnwell

SoWhyNot

I would hope they aren’t lying but people have funny ideas of their own truths.

I had a hellish time at work with a bully. Four (FOUR!!) managers and a union rep had a different recollection of events - quite forgetting emails, recordings of meetings, witnesses to meetings and quite blatantly put their version down on their statements.

I challenged it as one it didn’t make sense (much like this pair) and two I had proof to the contrary.

I then got told that they had time to process matters and on reflection this was how they felt and they had possibly mis-spoke before and this was their new recollection.

I have no time for liars and it irks me hugely if someone has a version of their truth which bears only a fleeting resemblance to the actual truth.

The wedding will probably be a ‘I mis-spoke’, or y’all misunderstood, as will the actual timing of the comments regarding the colour of their child (got lost in translation) and their lack of security/funding/title conversations.

I think people can convince themselves over a period of time and with sympathetic ears that their truth is absolute.

But there are always two sides and sometimes there will be an absolute claim of truth which can be proven. Despite how convincing someone can try to be.

As you said, one would hope they knew the difference but I suspect the claims were as damaging as they could be whilst being disconcertingly vague. That doesn’t smack of stupid to me but sly.

It is a bloody pity that they chose to do such a daft thing because I think it will damage them long term.

But any shred of sympathy or support I may have had for them went slipping away after that interview. And I lost respect for OW too.

I could forgive daft. I cannot thole liars or storytellers who are out to damage others.

I agree and I’m sorry you experienced that at work.

It’s the fact Harry and Meghan come across as being out to damage others that has lost my support in them. Don’t like being in the RF? Fine and understandable and we could all accept that and wish them well. But instead they have to make themselves out to be victims by lying. In two hours, all their credibility and integrity has gone.

I saw an article in The Guardian about how the interview has been so damaging to their reputation and they will never be welcomed into the A list ranks they aspire to. I do agree with that. I also can’t believe they weren’t advised against it (and against many other things they’ve done) which leads me to think they don’t listen and think they know best.

Do you think Meghan should be stripped from her bachelor degree title because she doesn’t talk to her dad anymore? he paid for some of her education , if it wasn’t for him , she looks wouldn’t be were she is now. Even if he betrayed her trust.

Harry was born and raised in that family. He should use it however he wish.

damage to others.....

I said (I think on another thread) that M seems to have a scorched earth policy with those who fall out of her favour. It's not enough that she blocks them, there is an element of desptroying them in the most painful way possible.

I think they feed off each other's discontent.

There was so much goodwill for them at the beginning. I felt that good will. I am sad it has gone so badly wrong.

It’s the fact Harry and Meghan come across as being out to damage others that has lost my support in them. Don’t like being in the RF? Fine and understandable and we could all accept that and wish them well. But instead they have to make themselves out to be victims by lying. In two hours, all their credibility and integrity has gone.

They came across as having an 'If we can't have it and have it our way, no one can' vendetta. Didn't get what they wanted from the royal family, so try to destroy it. Harry is spiteful AF, IMO.

If they really had something to say, their best bet would have been to release a carefully worded statement (long before now) and leave it at that. If you talk freely for hours about sensitive topics, you will inevitably say something that will cause trouble, that will sound bad and so on. The fact that they had to issue a follow up saying the racist comment wasn't made by the Queen or Prince Philip, and to clarify the point about the private vows or whatever they were, just shows how hard it is to talk like that, for that long, and still control how people receive it. How could they not have realised that we would all think of Philip?

I don't think that they think they know best or are actively trying to bring people down. I think they're just so enjoying spilling their guts, the freedom to say all the things they haven't been able to say, that they didn't think through the consequences and aren't thinking of it beyond the liberating feeling of finally being able to say all this.

If they love HMQ and PP so.much, why did they do the interview?

There was so much goodwill for them at the beginning. I felt that good will. I am sad it has gone so badly wrong

Yes, Harry was just so thrilled when they were engaged - taking Meghan around the UK to cheering crowds who were so welcoming to his fiancée.

I think they feed off each other's discontent

Kate seems to enhance William. Meghan and Harry seem to ramp up each other's paranoia.

The wedding will probably be a ‘I mis-spoke’, or y’all misunderstood, as will the actual timing of the comments regarding the colour of their child (got lost in translation) and their lack of security/funding/title conversations.

It’s amazing how many of Meghan’s supporters, when presented with the evidence that the ‘wedding’ in the garden wasn’t the real wedding as she claimed, will come back with, ‘It’s obvious she meant that it felt like the real wedding; why are you taking her so literally?’ Yet the same supporters will swear blind that Archie is definitely never getting a title, even though the only person who has claimed that has said she thinks that is what is planned.

I think if H&M aren't working members of the RF there's no way Charles will give Archie the Prince title. It just add fuel to his fire of slimming the Monarchy.

Royal titles are so confusing anyway, especially when it comes to the next generation ie,
Prince Charles of Edinburgh,
Prince William of Wales
Princess Beatrice of York.

Then the Kent's, have I got it right that the Duke of Kent title, moved to his son, so Prince Michael of Kent is the Dukes brother rather than his son?

But you see stillCoughing.... I would like to say my thoughts as you will probably class me as a 'supporter'.

I just imagined it was a saying of meaningful words... you know the sort, the personal ones that you both go off and write. I've been married since the 80s so don't get that sort of guff, but I know for some people it's very important.

I didn't give it another thought until heads were absolutely spinning on here that they duped everyone. So I'm thinking, it just is so unimportant, what does it matter? There was such outrage about something that to me was totally inconsequential. To them it was an exchange of special words or something, I dunno.

I know what the answers to this post of mine will be, I can predict it so no need to answer, I just wanted to try and put across how someone like me might think about it. I'm just taken aback at the total outrage about it.

I know I know those with a different viewpoint will call it lies, will call it duping people, will say, why call it getting married, I know all that sort of stuff because I have read it and it's endless.
But that's how I feel.... just a nothingburger.

As far as titles, I never understand that sort of stuff so I'm not swearing blind anything on that.

Bcos it gives him stuff. Would you?

But then I don't get the obsession with this

Lockdownbear

That's right. The original Duke of Kent (in this creation anyway) was the Queen's uncle. He died in WWII so his eldest son, the current Duke of Kent, inherited the title as a child. His male-line children and grandchildren come first in the line of succession to the Dukedom in places 1-6, before finally getting to Prince Michael and Lord Frederick Windsor at places 7 and 8.

A slight tangent - Queen Victoria's father was a previous Duke of Kent and she was known as Princess [Alexandrina] Victoria of Kent before she became Queen.

@ Roussette

M said they were actually married 3 days before the grand wedding. She didn’t say rehearsal or exchange of vows , she said married. I watched that bit and - to me- there was no ambiguity what she meant .
I think it would have been better if H had interrupted ( if he dared) and clarified the comment. As he stared downwards and said nothing , it was like tacit agreement.
I certainly wasn’t outraged but it just seemed a bit off to say such a thing when so many people enjoyed the Saturday wedding and wished them well.

But that’s the whole point, @Roussette. I would have thought the same as you; that maybe they simply felt that garden ‘ceremony’ was more meaningful. However - if you call something that wasn’t a wedding your wedding, but then expect claims (and they are claims, nothing more) you make in the same interview to be taken as gospel, of course people will pick up on inaccuracies - even if they weren’t intentional lies.

I know what the answers to this post of mine will be, I can predict it so no need to answer

Doesn’t work like that on an open forum, I’m afraid.

Can I ask a question Katherine because you are very knowledgeable.

Is it as complicated as it seems in our RF, as it is in other European royal houses?
I just wondered.

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I was only meaning ... don't feel you have to answer. I meant nothing by it. I was just rambling

I suppose it should've been called an exchange of vows or something.