Palace appoints external lawyers to probe MM bullying...

[Sprining]

Last week, in the lead up to Meghan and Harry’s eagerly anticipated Oprah interview, Palace sources were quoted as saying that the Palace was “prepared to retaliate with fresh disclosures about the couple’s behaviour if the monarchy is attacked”.

Great, so what next

External lawyers to probe bullying by other royals?
External lawyers to probe racism within RF?
External lawyers to probe whether there was disability discrimination in denying support for mental health?
External lawyers to problem Andrews behaviour and whether it broke public code of conduct (not criminal investigation, but did he bring us into disrepute type of stuff)?

Is this a vendetta or is RF finally going to be be subject to public accountability?

It would be inappropriate to have two investigations happening at the same time. Once one is resolved it is appropriate to investigate other issues. There are things that came up in the M trial which would make sent to wait ie. about her emails etc

Ok, thanks.

This is the Palace and press smoke and mirrors again 😊

What does a privacy claim against a. Newspaper for publishing a private letter to Mm’s father have to do with allegedly bullying claims?

One is an internal HR matter the other is a legal matter

And whether Mm speaks to OW or not has nothing to do with RF HR investigations.
In any event if these staff are so keen to have their voices heard now despite their NDAs and already have easy access to The Times surely they can just as easily do a OW interview themselves?

And since the palace ignored all the bullying claims against Charles and Andrew made by employees to media, they can do the same now? Or better still they can investigate the whole lot in one go.

As a tax payer, I’m interested whether our future king mistreats staff or civil servants as someone called them earlier.

You know, like the PRiti Patel bullying claim. If definitely support an public investigation if the taxpayer funded ‘principals’ are bullies

Look like Prince George needs extra protection too. The internet IS horrible. This is what spreading around. It feel so wrong when people target children, no wonder Meghan is upset

No it is entirely the correct course of action.

Staff unable to speak on the privacy court case - would be able to speak on other matters regarding bullying. However, speaking regarding the bullying could be deemed to be prejudicing the privacy case.

It is entirely correct and appropriate and not smoke and mirrors.

The bullying claims are now to be dealt with by solicitors (which is quite normal in such circumstances) and couldn't be dealt with whilst Meghan had her court case up in the air all this time.

There is no other reason to broadcast a "poor me" spectacle at the same times that the BP bullying claims were now in a position to be dealt with without prejudice of an ongoing court case.

I'm sure most can see straight through the reasons behind the Oprah spectacle requiring to be broadcast exactly when it was.

“However, speaking regarding the bullying could be deemed to be prejudicing the privacy case.”

Why are only people judged to have stellar characters subject to privacy? If someone in the workplace (which I am not even a part of) calls me a bully, suddenly my private stuff with my father can be published?

What’s one thing got to do with another?

If the RF employees felt bullied or had legitimate grievances, they could have gone to ACAS and the employment tribunal I assume they can also join a union and take it up that way

Proper channels that do not involve unnamed sources and leaks to the press

I find it odd that she had no problem in organising her own obstetrician rather than using the appointed RF medic yet when it came to mental health she was prevented from accessing help from anywhere. What, she didn't have a doctor who she could contact? I'm sure she would have still had American health insurance she could have made use of.

I also find it odd that as a mother, one who was also with her daughter at times in the U.K., Doria wasn’t supportive. After all, Doria is qualified to help and spent years working in mental health. Why wasn’t she at least seeing the signs and helping, even if the help was finding somebody for her daughter? And what was the obstetrician doing by not checking her patient’s mental health at every appointment which is a fundamental question in the NHS for all antenatal appointments.

@Sprining

If the RF employees felt bullied or had legitimate grievances, they could have gone to ACAS and the employment tribunal I assume they can also join a union and take it up that way

Proper channels that do not involve unnamed sources and leaks to the press

A union is only helpful if your employer recognises them. Likewise, ACAS will only advise on employment law and sometimes offer to mediate. Yes, there is an Employment Tribunal route but there is also the unfair reality that other employers will then know your name and your complaint so potentially won’t employ you. Instead there is probably a settlement package from the palace to cover you whilst finding another job and that option keeps your reputation unscathed.

@Sprining

I agree, one can be a victim and have done something wrong too.

The timing is really off though. Why not wait until she delivers the royal baby? Surely the stress can’t be good. It seems like bullying of MM too.

Don't be ridiculous. They set the timing with the interview!

@Sprining why do you keep starting these threads spinning what was a throughly baseless interview and despicable behaviour from two people who purport to be so caring and pro MH, when actually all they have done is shown themselves to be a couple of codependent narcs. Putting the onus back on the RF and questioning if this is a vendetta is rich indeed.

Because dogsonlead not everyone agrees with you?
Isn't that what forums are about? Discussion, differing opinions.
And posters saying that we don't think they 'despicable' or 'co dependent narcs'
Just because you think that, doesn't mean you are right and no one should say different

The timing is really off though. Why not wait until she delivers the royal baby? Surely the stress can’t be good. It seems like bullying of MM too.

The timing is off. Why did Meghan choose to do the interview whilst pregnant considering the stress she must have anticipated? Completely dictated by Meghan and completely unnecessary as it could have all waited (forever!) so why.

staff at palace were now pressing ahead with their request for bullying to be investigated, which was on hold entirely due to MM's Court case

The two things are entirely unrelated. The court case was brought by MM vs the ANL. The case was heard to establish if the DM had breached MM’s privacy in printing the letter to her father. The staff were not there to ‘speak’ out simply be called on as witnesses to give evidence or not (the latter as it turned out).

^I'm sure most can see straight through the reasons behind the Oprah spectacle requiring to be broadcast exactly when it was.

The interview would be broadcast when CBS decided it would. M&H would not have had a say, bar requesting postponement if Philip has died.

“own obstetrician rather than using the appointed RF medic”

That’s like saying if she is in labor, why didn’t she book her own obstetrician instead of getting emergency help. Maybe she didn’t plan on having mental health crisis so she couldn’t book any help ahead of them when she was feeling ok.

Mental health is terrible worldwide

@MrsTabithaTwitchit

When I say visit I don’t mean the lived separately but they were brought down to the sitting room from the nursery to spend time with their parents and then went back to the nursery .

Can you provide links for this?

You don’t need links that’s just how it worked, but you could read the various books by her staff. Neither Charles nor Diana would have thought that part of their role . They did keep the children closer than most taking them on tour, doing ordinary things like watching TV, playing games etc but as I say they went to full boarding school at 7 . I am not criticising , I have friends who experienced this life, it was the Nanny who did all the day to day drudge work, and the parents did the fun stuff I think someone up thread said that they used to see them out for tea with the Nanny in Windsor . All I am saying is that it was not the same type of relationship that most people would recognise.

“When Barnes was hired, the historian writes, she "stepped in firmly to assert control." One Kensington Palace staff member reflected, "Barbara guarded the nursery floor like the Vatican… It was her kingdom." Barnes, nicknamed "Baba" by William and Harry, "became something of a surrogate mother" to them as they spent an increasing amount of time in her care, with the nanny teaching them to "walk, talk and read."Barnes also "comforted them when they awoke crying in the night," “

From Robert Laveys book , note the phrase “nursery floor “ not something I can imagine at Anmer , times change thank goodness

I would have assumed that the RF have a range of medical consultants and therapists almost on retainer. Every one will have to have to have background checks run and probably also for their support staff, signed non disclosure forms, possibly security reviews of their premises/offices etc. They couldn't just whack the phonebook out, flick through a few pages and pick a therapist at random.

Given that and the fact a number of the family, including Harry, have sought help for their MH, I would be be pretty shocked if they didn't have someone they could have called on for MH first aid- at least in the first instance until someone with specialist expertise in perinatal mental health could have been found. That whole allegation just seemed odd tbh.

That’s reminds me how my sister been staying with us during the lockdown and she have been depressed and going to a virtual counseling. My husband and I hate the idea that she could be having a conversation about the whole family. But we do it too. Too much to share about the royal family, you better hope it doesn’t leak to the press

It was clear in the interview that she meant a rehabilitation (very posh) mental hospital - probably in the USA or somewhere they're used to treating celebritities annonymously.

I guess they could have found a psychiatrist to do a daily check at KP or Frogmore but it wouldn't be around the clock care. I guess also a nurse that could have monitored her. The thing is that she would have still been in a very claustrophobic situation and a triggering one.

I recall in Diana's panorama one that she said all the therapists came out etc...

To me it sounds like Meghan wanted to be in a different country and treated and just away from everything. If you were pushed to being suicidal and being vilified by the press, you'd want to just be away from it all.

It’s easy

The powerful royal family give selective privileges for one side of the fight over the other in order to annihilate the one that doesn’t agree with them

Cultivating unconscious bias through the tabloids is a great way to make the life of a royalist who is not toeing the line completely miserable..

Meghan should’ve never married into a family more powerful than hers.. I think she regrets her decision but it’s too late she has to make it work for you her kids.

Selective display of “justice” where certain people remain above the law is a dangerous dangerous zone as it creates a place where the law can be used for one party to abuse the other and once the other retaliates they’re held accountable without any context...

Selective application of justice and law is in itself creating room for oppression.. you can use “moral” statements to create immorality..

To hide injustice and shameful behaviour behind what looks like applaudable morality.

This is why, anyone who displays that they’re exempt from the law.. should never be allowed to use the law to their advantage in this way.

I think the investigation for Meghan’s behaviour should stand in the queue behind investigations of many questionable aspects of the palace.. including Prince Andrew and so on.

Jumping the queue says a lot about the palace and how they’re misusing the law to intimidate the couple. Not great in my opinion

But the people making the claims are basically saying they were mistreated at work. As an employer, BP has to investigate.