Would it really be so impossible for Harry to get a job?

[thebabessavedme]

Seriously, He has had an Eton and University education, He must have an incredible contacts file Could he really not have found some suitable employment to help fund his family without resorting to reality tv? I'm thinking maybe Bonhams/Southerbys as an art expert sort of gig (with training obvs) Give himself a pupose in life?, a reason to get up in morning? No more need for dads money?

A few of them do seem to have jobs, so why not him?

Sorry if I’m spamming the thread - I get odd bursts of time of peace when my youngest doesn’t need me to post.

I think part of the problem with Harry (for want of a better word!) is to do with the fact that he was brought up equally to William. Diana was determined they’d be equal and as normal as possible.

Then as an adult he’s had to adjust to the fact that he’s not as important. His wife isn’t as important as William’s wife and, crucially, his child isn’t as important as William’s children.

Now he’ll have grown up aware of that, but knowing it and living it are very different things.

I wonder if perhaps the fact that Anne, Andrew and Edward, and generations of spares before them, grew up with the important child being treated differently all the time might actually have made it easier.

I also think the fact there’s only two of them will have played a part as well. When you’re one of four or five or six and the eldest is treated differently it’s not as stark as when there’s only two.

The Princes Trust does great work and The Duke of Edinburgh awards are an institution, was just just discussing tackling DoE’s with my nephew who is so excited.
Harry would have been amazing with the physical side involved with the DoE’s ,l hope we don’t lose them.

A thought. Zara Tindall and Mike for the Duke of Edinburgh Awards.

Sophie was pre covid increasing her involvement so I agree @JustLyra that her and Edward will pick up a lot of the slack and she is really perfect for the job as she does it without apparently needing to be the centre of attention .

I think Edward and Sophie are doing a good job with the DoE’s.

They’re coming on 60, I think they’ll keep them going until William’s children are adults. Then we’ll know if they’ll come back to a “main line” royal or if they’ll be something one of their children do in a similar way to Beatrice, Eugenie and others having unofficial patronage’s.

It may also depend what happens when Charles takes the throne as that is when the DoE title will become available to be recreated so we’ll see then if the original plan for Edward to take that still happens or if they decide at 60+ not to go down that route anymore.

@Floralnomad

Sophie was pre covid increasing her involvement so I agree *@JustLyra* that her and Edward will pick up a lot of the slack and she is really perfect for the job as she does it without apparently needing to be the centre of attention .

I think they’ll be pivotal in picking up all of the foreign trips.

They already do the royal weddings abroad. I think they’ll pick up a lot of Andrew and The Gloucester’s foreign trips with their children being that bit older.

I think that’s more to do with not diluting the main person involved in something, if that makes sense?
It’s currently Charles’ thing so you won’t hear much of any other royal getting involved with it, other than Mentioning it in interviews about Charles

That makes perfect sense, JustLyra, especially with Charles's reputed dislike of sharing the spotlight

However with the throne looming ever closer - providing he lives long enough of course - I'd have thought he'd want others involved in some capacity, and it just doesn't seem to be there.
Add to that what everyone's mentioned about fewer available royals to fill the roles, and I find myself wondering who'll take it on ...

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I think that’s more to do with not diluting the main person involved in something, if that makes sense? It’s currently Charles’ thing so you won’t hear much of any other royal getting involved with it, other than Mentioning it in interviews about Charles

That makes perfect sense, JustLyra, especially with Charles's reputed dislike of sharing the spotlight

However with the throne looming ever closer - providing he lives long enough of course - I'd have thought he'd want others involved in some capacity, and it just doesn't seem to be there.
Add to that what everyone's mentioned about fewer available royals to fill the roles, and I find myself wondering who'll take it on ...

Harry did do a couple of Prince’s Trust things over the years. Usually tagged onto something else.

I certainly thing he was the one expected to take it on.

I think they’ll be hoping Charles can keep ou going until the Cambridge children are old enough to be the faces of it. It’s a shame because I don’t see William having the same time to devote to it as Charles did when he’s the heir as he’ll have a shorter time in that role.

PC has a group of charities that he started - there are about half a dozen of them, I think, as well as The Prince's Trust.

They mostly arose through passions/interests of PC. He doesn't want to necessarily saddle his sons with having to take on charities that they have no personal interest or connection with.

I'd imagine one of them will probably have to step up to take on The Prince's Trust, though, because that's so big.

"The Prince" always means the PoW/heir.

So, that would presumably mean that The Prince's Trust gets handed to PW whether he wants it or not (disclaimer: it's not that one I work for, and I am just speculating on that).

I think he might try and keep the Prince’s Trust until George is an adult.

I imagine it’ll be one of the ones he keeps even when he’s King. It’ll be one of the ones he only lets go when he really has to do so.

I do agree that Edward and Sophie are doing a great role and will become more prominent as some of the others age.

The DoE held on to the Award scheme right up to retirement. And I think you could be right Charles will hold onto the Trust as long as possible.

Controversial, does anyone think we'll ever see Andrew return to Royal Duties? Or is he banished to the dungeons for ever?

I think if the FBI and police had been able to do a thorough investigation and he’d been openly helpful at the very beginning then he’d have had a chance.

But now? No. Now even if the FBI came out and said he was completely innocent of anything he’s still the guy who made himself a laughing stock with sweating and Pizza Express.

I don’t understand why the FBI haven’t issued a warrant to question Andrew, unless there is no evidence that would stand up in court. What’s the delay ?
Obviously he’s as vile and creepy as they come, he should stay sidelined unless he can be completely exhonerated.
I doubt his reputation will ever be rehabilitated.

I think there's some convention, maybe not as strict as a rule or law, but still definitely something, that prevents a monarch from being too involved with charities, though.

So I'm not sure if PC will be able to continue as president of the Prince's Trust when he becomes king - he might be forced to hand it on at that point.

Rockalot you could be right, lots of Royal protocol seems to be unwritten. And now you mention it the Queen doesn't have an equivalent of either the DoE awards or Princes Trust.

Those are definitely two very worthwhile organisations that can make a difference.

I’m not sure he would be stopped. I’ll look into it more, but I’m sure George VI stayed involved with Fields In Trust when he became King. I’ll check when I have a chance

Every day is a school day.
I'd never heard of Fields in Trust. However I did wonder what someone was going on about when they said a playpark had been given to the town by King George VI.
It all makes sense!

It's an amazing initiative!

I also think another underrated royal involvement is Princess Anne's Carer's Trust. That doesn't get the publicity and recognition that it should.

We've got a King George VI playing field in our village!

Re royal involvement I thinkni read that the Queen wanted to be the patron of the George Formby club, having been a fan, but was "advised" not to. "When I'm cleaning windows" is full of smutty innuendos though

Harry stepping aside is a huge blow to William and his children work-wise as well as family wise. William would have always assumed that Harry would be around in some capacity when William became king. Of course Harry shouldn't lead his life to someone else's agenda but I suspect he did not really think through the long term consequences before rushing off to the US.
If someone wanted to leave my family business but retain their job title, salary and benefits, I'd be asking to see that proposal in writing!

Sophie and Edward will sill be young enough to do engagements for another 15-20 years. And I agree, if Beatrice or Eugenie were drafted back in, they would be well received but it's complicated because their father is Ponce Andrew

I would have guessed Sophie was about 52. She is 56. She looks amazing.

She is the patron of over 70 charities. Wow. Even if those charities require your actual presence one day a year, that's quite a lot to keep track of.

@StartupRepair

Harry stepping aside is a huge blow to William and his children work-wise as well as family wise. William would have always assumed that Harry would be around in some capacity when William became king. Of course Harry shouldn't lead his life to someone else's agenda but I suspect he did not really think through the long term consequences before rushing off to the US. If someone wanted to leave my family business but retain their job title, salary and benefits, I'd be asking to see that proposal in writing!

Yes this must be such a big blow to W & K and I think H & M under-estimated how popular they could have been in a supporting role. They both have loads of skills they could have put to very good use for others in return for free board and lodging! (I have my tongue in cheek there but I'm not sure Harry in particular recognises what a privilege it is to never have to worry about a mortgage ever again.). They could have carved out some very non-stuffy niche causes and really help raise the profile of charities specific to BAME communities and shared the load with his brother a bit. . And shown the other royals the way by being low key , and living a relatively non-opulent eco life. You'd think Harry of all people would understand the concept of service. On the other hand, if they encountered racism within the RF , and I can well imagine the older members being racist I'm afraid, then that is indefensible. But it's a shame they couldn't stay and fight for change from within. If the racism is institutional though, and in-built, then I can understand them wanting their DC away from it.

Family businesses always look great from the outside but in reality, imho, it can be a bit of a nightmare to both run and work within one involving as they do all sorts of conflicting loyalties.

I am reading Barack Obama's autobiography. Same problem. Totally different attitude.
Meghan and Harry could be such a force for good. Unfortunately the interview has made them look like petulant children.

@StartupRepair

Harry stepping aside is a huge blow to William and his children work-wise as well as family wise. William would have always assumed that Harry would be around in some capacity when William became king. Of course Harry shouldn't lead his life to someone else's agenda but I suspect he did not really think through the long term consequences before rushing off to the US. If someone wanted to leave my family business but retain their job title, salary and benefits, I'd be asking to see that proposal in writing!

I'd agree. They were asked to put their proposals in writing. But announced to the press they were quitting.

Do you think H&M lost patience with the request?
Who do you think drove the decision to quit, move before they had reached agreement with his family?