Would it really be so impossible for Harry to get a job?

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Seriously, He has had an Eton and University education, He must have an incredible contacts file Could he really not have found some suitable employment to help fund his family without resorting to reality tv? I'm thinking maybe Bonhams/Southerbys as an art expert sort of gig (with training obvs) Give himself a pupose in life?, a reason to get up in morning? No more need for dads money?

A few of them do seem to have jobs, so why not him?

Or her cousins’ children?

@Blueberries0112

Queen Elizabeth grand niece or nephew can’t become a working royals?

Who are you meaning?

Her grand niece or nephew would be the children of her niece or nephew. Neither her nephew, Earl Snowdown, or niece Lady Sarah Chatto, have ever been working royals. They live privately and have jobs/businesses. Their children aren't going to be working royals.

Her cousins who are working royals (The Kents and Gloucesters) have children, but again all have jobs and aren't going to be working royals.

Any "new" working royals would have be her Grandchildren - the York girls or, in time, the Wessex children, and that's very unlikely imo. Charles had made it very clear he doesn't want the York girls as working royals, and their link to their father would make it difficult. The Wessex children are still at school, and have been brought up fully expecting not to be working royals.

Maybe they should change that because not everyone want to be working royals. Change it that in case they do want to be working royals.

@Blueberries0112

Maybe they should change that because not everyone want to be working royals. Change it that in case they do want to be working royals.

It's highly unlikely that any of them (bearing in mind these are people in their 40's, 50's and 60's) would want to suddenly become working royals with the press intrusion that creates.

The current working royals will have to carry the essential engagements between them, some places will end up with no royal patrons sadly and then the younger generation (William's children) will have to step up earlier than expected.

What, like the Duke of Windsor did? 😂

Surely the outcome of a slimmed down monarchy is less engagements so less royal patronage’s etc

Yes it will mean fewer engagements carried out and more difficult to get Royals to go and open stuff and carry out engagements.

But then do we need Royals to go open stuff?

But then who

I think the slimming down was always going to mean less engagements, but not in a dramatic way like it will.

So as the Queen and Philip passed on their most important or special patronages then some that were less important, or maybe just personal, would slip by the wayside. Same when the older cousins start to drop theirs (although one of the Dukes does a fair amount of foreign engagements so they’ll likely need picked up) - some will be covered by someone new whereas many will just drop away.

If we take the 2019 figures - Andrew did 274 (his lowest figure in 20 years), Harry and Meghan did 284 (figures lower due to maternity leave). So that’s 558 instantly needing looked at. Even if half of them are dropped thats still 279 to be covered.

The Queen did 295. Again even if half are dropped that’s still 150ish to cover.

The older royals did around 500, even if you drop two thirds your still likely, at some point in the next year to need to cover 160ish of them.

That’s 589 to be covered at best.

William and Kate did 220 and 126 engagements respectively. So to cover them all they’re going to have to do over 400 each, with a young family.

It’s going to be a more dramatic slimming than even Charles anticipated I think.

@JustLyra your posts are so insightful. Thank you.

There is slimming and becoming anorexic.

Edward picked up a lot of Philip stuff inc the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme.
They won't want that or Charles's Princes Trust to fall by the wayside.

It’s pretty clear that William and Catherine have the bandwidth for significantly more engagements so that should fill a gap

Harry isn't that thick. If he really got BBD at A level our local university would have snapped him up. 😉 Whether he would have got a job afterwards who knows.

@Lockdownbear

There is slimming and becoming anorexic.

Edward picked up a lot of Philip stuff inc the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme.
They won't want that or Charles's Princes Trust to fall by the wayside.

Exactly.

It would be criminal if either DoE or Princes Trust fell by the wayside.

They’ll be hoping Charles is around long enough for one of William’s to be old enough to take over the Prince’s Trust.

I wonder if whichever of the three does that might get involved in the DofE stuff down the line as well or if that might be confusing?

Totally missed a sentence - Harry would have been the obvious candidate to take over the Prince’s Trust stuff.

Edward picked up a lot of Philip stuff inc the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme.
They won't want that or Charles's Princes Trust to fall by the wayside

On that subject I've often found it noticeable that William (and previously Harry) seemed to have little to do with the Princes Trust; granted others do the work, but it's at least one good thing that Charles is involved in

Odd, perhaps, if both sons have shunned it - unless I've missed something?

They'll have to do less.
But then there'll be a lot of people wondering what the point is of the RF.

@Gladimnotcampinginthisweather

Harry isn't that thick. If he really got BBD at A level our local university would have snapped him up. 😉 Whether he would have got a job afterwards who knows.

I thought he got one A Level in Art? I don’t care about his qualifications. He just seems to lack any common sense.

William as the only working Royal of his generation is going to be a lonely place to be.
If Harry doesn't come back as his righthand man, he will end up looking to his cousins for support.

@Lockdownbear

William as the only working Royal of his generation is going to be a lonely place to be. If Harry doesn't come back as his righthand man, he will end up looking to his cousins for support.

I think he does that already.

I agree Harry definitely would have done a good job with the princes trust. Such a shame

I think lockdown may have helped them find a new way forwards. A those zoom calls they are doing. In some cases that could be appropriate for after the pandemic

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What I'm wondering about is how Harry ended up like this?
You'd expect a team of people advising the rf on strategy. They even have their own group "the way ahead" which looks at longer term issues.
Harry suggested that Meghan was told she could carry on working in the Oprah doc?
I can't believe it wasn't suggested to them to take a few years out in the Commonwealth, doing some projects and good works, have the babies and come back later to the family firm?
Maybe it was and they declined?
But then they ended up playing second fiddle to Kate and William with less exciting gigs, not much glamour and a very rigid protocol driven workplace. And this hasn't worked.
Their energies should have been channelled in a productive way that would have benefitted the RF as a whole.

I reckon Harry probably lacks the intelligence to take on a strategic role or a job which requires similar.
But what he had was a degree of charm and is Diana's son, with all the goodwill that entails.
The crafted image of hero doing good works could have been spun for several more years....
What went wrong?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Edward picked up a lot of Philip stuff inc the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme. They won't want that or Charles's Princes Trust to fall by the wayside

On that subject I've often found it noticeable that William (and previously Harry) seemed to have little to do with the Princes Trust; granted others do the work, but it's at least one good thing that Charles is involved in

Odd, perhaps, if both sons have shunned it - unless I've missed something?

I think that’s more to do with not diluting the main person involved in something, if that makes sense?

It’s currently Charles’ thing so you won’t hear much of any other royal getting involved with it, other than Mentioning it in interviews about Charles.

It was the same with the DofE Awards. You never really heard much of the other royals getting involved with it until Edward and Sophie started doing bits as it got closer to the point of Philip handing it over to them.

@Lockdownbear

William as the only working Royal of his generation is going to be a lonely place to be. If Harry doesn't come back as his righthand man, he will end up looking to his cousins for support.

I also think with age gap between Charles/Anne and Edward that we might see Edward and Sophie becoming more prominent and involved in more high profile things.

That 15 years of difference will be a big help to William going forward. Especially as the r Wessex children go off to uni and the likes and Edward and Sophie have more time.