Do you think Oprah didn't ask the right questions.

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Lots of subjects were spoken about but I felt that Oprah could have asked for further information.

What questions do you think she should of asked.

My question is to Harry 'why didn't you get Meghan help with her MH if you are a loving husband'

[quote Number3BigCupOfTea]@chaosrabbitland I watched 'The Body Language Panel' and MM's facial expression when she denied making Kate cry was a very soft quiet no, and she held Oprah's gaze for a long time, instead of emphatically saying "'NO!''. The panelists were saying that she's holding something back there. In this instance she knows that this is ''her truth'' and even as she's saying it she knows there's another side to that.

I think they had a difference of opinion, both were on their last nerve, and Meghan being less resilient cried first. Kate tried to smooth it over and Meghan accepted her apology. but even in the leather bound copy of My Truth meghan has to push away the self awareness when she tells this story.

That body language panel was fascinating if anybody is interested. It wasn't a basic ''take down'' of Meghan and Harry. They just talk about base lines and deviations and they notice things like Harry's foot bobbing more on the 'up' than on the down, which they agreed mean he feels optimism. He believes it will all be sorted out in the end. God love him, I'm not so sure.[/quote]
This is a man who has always had a courtier or royal staff to smooth out any gaffes. Now he has to rely on his own limited judgement.

It's amazing that some people are so distracted by a bit of red hair!

Harry is the mage of a young Prince Phillip and the Spencer’s very obviously have red hair running through the family.

It’s true that there’s no so blind as those who can’t (or deliberately wont) see.

I don't why they think people are so interested in the baby's skin colour. I just want to know if he is ginger

I can’t see any resemblance to Philip at all. Philip was really good looking when young. I don’t think Harry has ever been particularly good looking. He now looks a bit tatty, is losing his hair and often looks very pale and a bit sickly these days. He looks like Charles with his close set eyes . The Spencer boys haven’t aged well.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

Did you bully your staff? Why did so many leave so quickly? Why did you sack your first nanny during the night ? Why did you write a letter for your father with the help of palace staff and then circulate it to your friends ? Why didn’t you research your future in laws and husband? Why didn’t you consider the restrictions and expectations of your new role? Why do you feel the need to spend so much on designer outfits? Did you like your husbands family? What efforts did you make to fit in and get on with husbands family? What stopped you finding yourself a psychotherapist? Was your phone confiscated? How exactly do you reconcile your feminist views and need for a ‘voice’ with having made salacious burger ads and having a breast enhancement? Why did you deny having input into Finding Freedom? Did you get on with William? Was there anything at all that your in laws did right for you do you think, apart from the Queen? Why did you invite so many celebrities you hardly knew to your wedding but left out all your family apart from your mother? Why didn’t you introduce your father to Harry before you got married? Where was your mother when you were growing up? Why did you want to give up your career to marry into the royal family when you had the option to keep on with it, since you are such a feminist? Are you at all grateful for having enormous wealth and a gorgeous home now? When will you let go of your many grievances? How do you reconcile your treatment of your father with your creed about kindness and compassion? Why do you feel you have the right to lecture people about how they should live? Do you consider yourself a kind and compassionate person with empathy and tolerance?

Very well said, I agree with every word.

It makes sense now, how they handled the birth of Archie, the hospital being secret, no photos leaving with the baby and the christening and god parents being secret, all retaliation for him having no title and the Queen not overriding this with letter patent (or whatever it is). Remember the rumours that Harry wanted Windsor Castle to live in.

Yes I can see the resemblance between a younger Philip and H, although Philip was definitely better looking than H has ever been.

The Queen was quite good looking when younger and had a tiny waist etc.

They were definitely a "hot" couple, and the Queen has seen it all before - it comes, it goes - we need something more than glamour to see us through life, substance - something Michelle Obama has.

M thinks she found a map showing a short cut through the maze to power, but actually it's a discarded and well worn one that leads to a trap door full of poop.

Michelle Obama took the longer route - building friends on the way up, not enemies.

@GoLightlyontheEarth

I find it extraordinary that these two should be advocating for mental health. Good therapists are meant to have had their own therapy and addressed their issues before working with clients. Two people with disastrous family relationships on both sides and clearly suffering so many unresolved issues themselves should not be figureheads for any mental health charity. They need to go away and quietly work on themselves before trying to support others.

Interesting thought. There will be charities out there ready to take their donations just because they are in need. Now the question is what they want in return. Some charities will say, "thank you very much but we are not making a public announcement about your donation. Are you still good?". I wonder what the response would be. It is all about "what's in it for me" with these two. After all, the Foundation is just an arm of the business. As far as I am concerned, I will shy away of any mental health charity that publicises them or attaches to them in any way - it would be a sign of bad judgement from the charity itself and my money can be put to good use in other charities for sure.

Those Gayle King leaks.

On the Gayle King leaks, I would imagine the phone call made by PW was 'not productive' as it was probably a 'tester' phone call to see what the couple's reaction and real motivation is. Now they know (if they didn't already). Mission accomplished by RF, motivation clarified and route ahead now clear.

@ StormzyinaTCup - yes, army manoeuvres have commenced.

Intelligence gathering first, demands stated. Demands refused.

Imagine if you let your own family blackmail you, what message does that send to other malicious parties out there? It would never end - appeasement never works.

M&H either grow up and act like adults or move on their war of attrition.

M&H will have to stop talking about H's own personal family conversations if she wants to continue with the story of :
"her dad, the evil sprite of the fairy-tale banished far from the mermaid's orbit".

So sweet, so saccharine, so far fetched (as all fairy-tales are).

I wonder if Meghan knows the real story of the little mermaid 😅

yeh, to me, the story of the l mermaid is a disney version of the the celtic story of the selkie, and hmmm, when the selkie returns to the sea or to california she doesn't look back. Her human marriage is over.

More of a "Fish out of water" rather than Mermaid, not as pretty sounding though. The differences between the US and UK are vastly underestimated.

M didn't realise it would be bit boring most of the time and it's a "duty".

Queen head of the forces and the rules trickle down through the ranks (the RF). M was always going to be an AWOL candidate as she signed up for a completely different style of army in her mind - more Peace Corp etc - not the same, and no rising through the ranks - demotion ahead as William's children grow up.

As far as I am concerned, I will shy away of any mental health charity that publicises them or attaches to them in any way - it would be a sign of bad judgement from the charity itself and my money can be put to good use in other charities for sure
I feel similarly to you on this. There's so many people with relevant professional experiences, long term commitments to mental health charities and so on, that it would seem like easy publicity to jump on the Sussexes PR wave.

I can't help but feel that two celebrities (who have recently spoken about how despite having a huge amount of resources at their disposal and one already being involved in mental health initiatives with his brother) couldn't access mental health support are really best placed to be figurehead of mental health initiatives. After all, why should an average citizen listen to two people who have been openly saying they couldn't use all their contacts and privileges to get help?

*aren't really best placed

agree - would question any charity's integrity that would want to "use" H&M after the very public spats they are determined to fight. Not a good example of anything to anyone.

Sure, take their money privately - same as other private donations. But don't provide a fanfare for them.

Should get hands dirty with some real grass roots level of day-in/day -out type issues like criminal system in US criminalising motor offences to fill up prisons - that would be a worthy battle to start learning from the bottom up - rather than parachute themselves in as heroes.

If not they'll just have to accept being the modern age Uri Gellers who proclaim they have the soft power of good vibes and good energy and no-one takes seriously.

Those Gayle King leaks. Seems careful choice of words, coming from PR advice "non productive". aka it was "a waste of time and you need to try harder" .
Most probably the message is not lost to the other side. Oh dear.

But if you step back and think about it, I read a bit of "desperate" if you are needing to leak some message so soon. In fact, it is either "desperate" or they have consciously chosen to keep leaking to annoy the other side and show the power they have on them. They may also be on a low after the interview now, what is next? Their messaging was never brilliant, if it does not improve that will go against them now.

If I was PC or PW or even the Queen I would insist all interaction is now in writing and then I would ignore them for a bit . They have clearly shown that absolutely nothing is private, any rapprochement would have to come from a position of trust and how can you trust someone if the conversation is going to be recounted on tomorrow mornings breakfast TV . Very sad but they have made their bed and now they must lie in it.

Meghan's co biography writer (the muppet) has been mouthing off on Twitter about the Gayle King leak. Trying to justify it. So obviously Meghan has clocked that was a bad move.

I think Meghan literally has her hand stuck up the backside of this muppet and is working it herself 😂😂😂

While I agree with what pps are saying regarding H & Ms inability to access mh help, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Imagine how scared you would be to trust someone, especially when people like Diana's voice coach and confidante has sold films of session content for money.

And happy to be corrected but I don't think she said she couldn't access help did she? Didn't she say they were advised not to? That's a different thing isn't it and open to interpretation from both sides.

RF: be very careful who you approach for help because you may find the content of your therapy sessions splashed all over the Daily Mail.
M&H: place were less then helpful, we were prevented from seeking help.

And as such it could be a genuine misunderstanding on both sides (maybe?). Especially if the palace under-estimated the level of her distress.

Having lived abroad myself, I can easily visualise a scenario where you are pregnant and in another country, where everything is unfamiliar, and the press are writing vile things about you, and the people you expect to be on your side are remote or dismissive, and your own father is playing silly buggers, that you might feel really desperate and trapped.

palace not place

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Fair point, it probably is more complicated but even then I don't think people who are neck deep in their own mental health issues are best placed to be in high priority roles for mental health organisations. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone experiencing mental health issues that are inflamed by anything from racism (understandable) to unfavourable media coverage should be in any sort of figurehead or spokesperson role.

There's a danger of it being 'let us speak our truth because we are mentally wounded, give us a public platform, oh but don't critique what we say, don't point out any factual inaccuracies, and don't say anything negative otherwise you're causing harm to our mental health'. It's a convenient way to avoid criticism or challenge.

I also find the trust issue a tricky one because they also have form for leaking information, look at the current phone calls.

The whole set up doesn't sound terribly healthy, but I think there's a lot of problems with the narrative they are presenting (or 'their truth', which is very different from saying we are telling 'the truth') and it does affect their credibility as public figures on this issue.

I took non productive to mean we didn’t get what we want/our own way. Whatever it is they’ve effectively ensured that there won’t be too many phone calls in the future IMO.

[quote Number3BigCupOfTea]@chaosrabbitland I watched 'The Body Language Panel' and MM's facial expression when she denied making Kate cry was a very soft quiet no, and she held Oprah's gaze for a long time, instead of emphatically saying "'NO!''. The panelists were saying that she's holding something back there. In this instance she knows that this is ''her truth'' and even as she's saying it she knows there's another side to that.

I think they had a difference of opinion, both were on their last nerve, and Meghan being less resilient cried first. Kate tried to smooth it over and Meghan accepted her apology. but even in the leather bound copy of My Truth meghan has to push away the self awareness when she tells this story.

That body language panel was fascinating if anybody is interested. It wasn't a basic ''take down'' of Meghan and Harry. They just talk about base lines and deviations and they notice things like Harry's foot bobbing more on the 'up' than on the down, which they agreed mean he feels optimism. He believes it will all be sorted out in the end. God love him, I'm not so sure.[/quote]
Watching this now

Lola nailed it:
"there's a danger of it being 'let us speak our truth because we are mentally wounded, give us a public platform, oh but don't critique what we say, don't point out any factual inaccuracies, and don't say anything negative otherwise you're causing harm to our mental health'. It's a convenient way to avoid criticism or challenge.

Yes - a warning and implying: don't hold me to the usual standards.